Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2001 11:05:14 -0700 From: Sissy <sissy-AT-ix.netcom.com> Subject: Re: recent article focusing our discussion!! Nor does every dictionary of Foucault terms hold an advanced knowledge or a "good" of Foucault, (as if one could know) , in spite of self made claims that it does. Erik Hoogcarspel wrote: > Let me tell you a little secret, Jivko: not everything which is in the > newspaper is true and not every book that's written is trustworthy. > > Jivko Georgiev wrote: > > > There is a recent article i found today in a western > > newspaper. The artical is a rewiew of a recent book on > > the balkans. The author explains shortly the content > > of the book. Here is the qoutation from the rewiew. > > Please, read it: > > " Mazower does not accept the idea that Balkans > > violence is result of ancient ethnic hatred. The > > source of the conflict often lay outside the region. > > VIOLENT NATIONALISM, he stresses, has been IMPORTED IN > > THE BALKANS FROM WESTERN EUROPE. It was Western Europe > > that gave the peoples of Soutrhern Europe the > > ideological weapons with which they could destroy each > > other - and themselves." > > Joeri Buhrer Tavanier (author of the rewiew) > > > > I havent wrote it. I jsut found it. If You dont trust > > me , I will send you scanned copy of the article. The > > newspapper is a newspapper about Bulgaria for > > foreigners, called "Sofia Echo" - its chief is Brendan > > Howe. and here is the book: > > > > The Balkans: Short History > > Mark Mazower > > The Modern Library, New York 2000, > > $19.95 > > > > > > --- Larry Chappell <larchap-AT-tecinfo.com> wrote: > > > >> Jivko: > >> > >> You seem to have committed an odd variation of the > >> genetic fallacy -- > >> because something originates in X ("the west") it > >> belongs essentially to > >> that thing. On this reasoning "zero" would be > >> essentially Arabic. Since you > >> admit that China (Japan?) adopted nationalism, how > >> does it remain an > >> exclusively "western" property? > >> > >> I do not understand your question about what > >> Foucault "had in common with > >> nationalism." No one has claimed that he was a > >> nationalist, and one can > >> recognize the importance of nationalism (among other > >> power formations) > >> without either affirming its value, its universality > >> or its supreme > >> importance. > >> > >> Larry > >> ----- Original Message ----- > >> From: "Jivko Georgiev" <jivkox43georgiev-AT-yahoo.com> > >> To: <foucault-AT-lists.village.virginia.edu> > >> Sent: Monday, July 16, 2001 11:24 AM > >> Subject: nationalism and the human being > >> > >> > >>> China addopted a western invention - the > >> > >> communsim- > >> > >>> and thus became nationalistic. Most of those, who > >>> investigate the communism, sais there is loads of > >>> nationalism in its structure: Lyotard wrote about > >> > >> it > >> > >>> in a collection called "The postmodern explained > >> > >> for > >> > >>> children". The communism is cultivating > >> > >> nationalism > >> > >>> and then exploits it ( for example - Yougoslavia). > >> > >> I > >> > >>> wanted to show you that the nationalism, which the > >>> west sees in every country in the world, is only a > >>> notion, which belongs to the west and to nobody > >> > >> else. > >> > >>> The west sais, that the opposite of the > >> > >> nationalism is > >> > >>> "the humanity" - as we know from our friend Michel > >>> Foucault "the humanity" is nonsense. But as we > >> > >> know > >> > >>> "the humanity" is nowadays used as a juridic tool > >>> against "the nationalism"( see - Milosevic, the > >> > >> man > >> > >>> who did crime against "the humanity") So tell me > >> > >> again > >> > >>> please, what did Foucault had in common with the > >>> nationalism? > >>> > >>> Jivko > >>> --- Larry Chappell <larchap-AT-tecinfo.com> wrote: > >>> > >>>> Jivko: > >>>> > >>>> You are seriously claiming that there is no > >>> > >> Japanese > >> > >>>> or Chinese nationalism? > >>>> Is Russia "western" or "non-western" or some > >>>> combination of both? Whether > >>>> nationalism is a useful concept requires close > >>>> attention to particular > >>>> settings. I do not see how anyone could use > >>> > >> these > >> > >>>> global generalizations > >>>> about "the west" to understand anything. > >>>> > >>>> Larry > >>>> ----- Original Message ----- > >>>> From: "Jivko Georgiev" > >>> > >> <jivkox43georgiev-AT-yahoo.com> > >> > >>>> To: <foucault-AT-lists.village.virginia.edu> > >>>> Sent: Sunday, July 15, 2001 7:27 PM > >>>> Subject: RE: arabs ana hanums > >>>> > >>>> > >>>>> I repeat: the nationalism concern only the > >>>> > >> western > >> > >>>>> world. To the rest of the world it is > >>>> > >> irrelevant. > >> > >>>>> Michel Foucault knew it is a unimportenant > >>>> > >> issue, > >> > >>>> and > >>>> > >>>>> he avoided it. > >>>>> > >>>>> Zhivko > >>>>> --- "Hennon, Lisa" <hennon-AT-arcadia.edu> wrote: > >>>>> > >>>>>> I appreciate how Stuart Eldon approached > >>>>> > >> this > >> > >>>>>> question. I wonder if a way > >>>>>> to connect Foucault's work in this > >>>>> > >> discussion > >> > >>>> about > >>>> > >>>>>> nationalism is to > >>>>>> identify some of the discourses that have > >>>>> > >> gone > >> > >>>> into > >>>> > >>>>>> the nationalism > >>>>>> literature. Much of what I have read has > >>>>> > >> been > >> > >>>>>> structuralist or humanist > >>>>>> explanations, ways of reasoning that > >>>>> > >> Foucault > >> > >>>> was > >>>> > >>>>>> avoiding. I am trying to > >>>>>> use the concept of governmentality to ask > >>>>> > >> what > >> > >>>> kinds > >>>> > >>>>>> of national imaginaries > >>>>>> have informed U.S. education sciences, so in > >>>>> > >> a > >> > >>>> way I > >>>> > >>>>>> am using Foucault's > >>>>>> concepts rather than concepts of > >>>>> > >> nationalism, > >> > >>>> but my > >>>> > >>>>>> interests intersect > >>>>>> with the question of nationalism. Perhaps > >>>>> > >> this > >> > >>>>>> worsens the understanding. > >>>>>> I hope not. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> Lisa > >>>>>> > >>>>>> -----Original Message----- > >>>>>> From: Jivko Georgiev > >>>>>> [mailto:jivkox43georgiev-AT-yahoo.com] > >>>>>> Sent: Sunday, July 15, 2001 11:31 AM > >>>>>> To: foucault-AT-lists.village.virginia.edu > >>>>>> Subject: RE: arabs ana hanums > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>>> If you can't see how biopower relates to > >>>>>>> nationalism, I don't know what to > >>>>>>> tell you. > >>>>>>> > >>>>>> neither do i, sorry. I cant see such thing, > >>>>>> honestly. > >>>>>> The nationalism was a question foucault > >>>>> > >> never > >> > >>>> cared > >>>> > >>>>>> about. But my research showed me that > >>>>> > >> "ethnic > >> > >>>>>> cleansing, nationalism, bla, bla, bla" is on > >>>>> > >> the > >> > >>>>>> first > >>>>>> page of every western newspapper and > >>>>> > >> magazin. > >> > >>>> And i > >>>> > >>>>>> say to myself : wow!! whats wrong with these > >>>>> > >>>> guys? > >>>> > >>>>>> Than i figure out a paradox: the world, for > >>>>> > >>>> which > >>>> > >>>>>> the > >>>>>> national borders doesnt exist anymore, and > >>>>> > >> in > >> > >>>> which > >>>> > >>>>>> everyone is nomore of his own race, this > >>>>> > >> world > >> > >>>> has > >>>> > >>>>>> as > >>>>>> a main issue the nationalism and ethnic > >>>>> > >>>> cleansing - > >>>> > >>>>>> this western world is forcing, through the > >>>>> > >> help > >> > >>>> of > >>>> > >>>>>> the > >>>>>> weapon, the other world to confest that he, > >>>>> > >> the > >> > >>>>>> biggest part of the world, is a Nazi and he > >>>>> > >> is > >> > >>>> doing > >>>> > >>>>>> the ethnic cleansing, when in fact most of > >>>>> > >> the > >> > >>>> world > >>>> > >>>>>> doesnt know what that means. Isnt that > >>>>> > >> crazy? > >> > >>>>>> Assertion of rights and authorship? How > >>>>> > >>>> Foucauldian > >>>> > >>>>>>> is this? > >>>>>> > >>>>>> How? > >>>>>> > >>>>>> Regards! > >>>>>> Jivko > >>>>>> --- newidder <N.E.Widder-AT-exeter.ac.uk> > >>>>> > >> wrote: > >> > >>>>>>>> ===== Original Message From > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> foucault-AT-lists.village.virginia.edu ====> >>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> Calm down. > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> Some of us are calm when writing this. > >>>>>>> > > === message truncated ==> > > > > > __________________________________________________ > > Do You Yahoo!? > > Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail > > http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ > > > >
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