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From: "Will Napier" <will-AT-thinkingsuccess.com>
Subject: RE: social construction & realism
Date: Sun, 17 Nov 2002 14:14:26 -0000


Thanks that's interesting - I have Fairclough's 'language and power' and am
intersted to hear that he has become more realist

Will

-----Original Message-----
From: owner-foucault-AT-lists.village.virginia.edu
[mailto:owner-foucault-AT-lists.village.virginia.edu]On Behalf Of Conlon,
Ryan
Sent: 17 November 2002 13:10
To: 'foucault-AT-lists.village.virginia.edu'
Subject: RE: social construction & realism


Another approach I forgot to mention is 'critical discourse analysis'
associated with Norman Fairclough, e.g.

Lilie Chouliaraki and Norman Fairclough (1999) Discourse in Late Modernity,
Edinburgh: Edinburgh University Press

Fairclough's work has becoming more explicitly realist - as in this book.

Ryan

-----Original Message-----
From: Will Napier [mailto:will-AT-thinkingsuccess.com]
Sent: 17 November 2002 12:59
To: foucault-AT-lists.village.virginia.edu
Subject: RE: social construction & realism


Thanks Ryan for your very helpful reply - I will look into the Sayer in
particular.

Will

-----Original Message-----
From: owner-foucault-AT-lists.village.virginia.edu
[mailto:owner-foucault-AT-lists.village.virginia.edu]On Behalf Of Conlon,
Ryan
Sent: 17 November 2002 12:12
To: 'foucault-AT-lists.village.virginia.edu'
Subject: RE: social construction & realism


Dear Will

Some critical realists engage with Foucault.  See in particular Richard
Marsden's The Nature of Capital: Marx after Foucault, London, Routledge,
1999.
Essentially, he argues that Foucault can be read as a realist, and as a
supplement to Marx.

There was also a paper presented at the 1999 Critical Realist conference on
Foucault and realism.  Can't remember who it was, but think it was by a
postgraduate student.

Bob Jessop, a neo-Marxist state theorist, whose philosophical position is
critical realist, also engages with Foucault (alongside Poulantzas), in his
book State Theory: Putting the Capitalist State in its Place, Cambridge,
Polity, 1990.

But away from Foucault specifically, critical realists do hold onto an
ontological realism but have a social constructivist view of epistemology.
See
Andrew Sayer (2000) Realism and Social Science, London: Sage.  Sayer adopts
a
'moderate constructivism', and distinguishes between 'construction' and
'construal'.

Best
Ryan

-----Original Message-----
From: Will Napier [mailto:will-AT-thinkingsuccess.com]
Sent: 09 November 2002 15:45
To: foucault-AT-lists.village.virginia.edu
Subject: social construction & realism


Hi this is my first post to this list - only just begun to read Foucault (so
far Clinic, Madness, half of Order).

Is it possible to have a social constructionist view of epistemology and yet
hold to an ontological realism? Conceptually I guess it is, but does anyone?

Will Napier


   

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