From: "McIntyre" <mcintyre-AT-phoblacht.net>
Subject: Re: foucault-digest V2 #662
Date: Fri, 9 Jan 2004 20:27:55 -0000


people die all the time defending the right to have an open mind against the
dictatorship of the facts
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Carlinhos Puig" <carlinhospu-AT-ig.com.br>
To: <foucault-AT-lists.village.Virginia.EDU>
Sent: Friday, January 09, 2004 7:45 PM
Subject: Re: foucault-digest V2 #662


> Actually, that´s the importance about the issue: people die. So if it is
not
> a virus that is killing people, and, please, I must enphasise "IF", and it
> is other factors, the implication would be that people die from other
> reasons which are not being looked for.
> A good example is AZT. Whether or not HIV does causes AIDS, it is a fact
> that AZT causes death, and causes it through its most important side
> effects, which are immunodeficience. They did know that, but gave people
AZT
> anyway. Another example is the almost obligation of having babies taking
> medication when they test HIV +, despite the fact that most of those
babies
> test HIV - after six months. Facts like this just contradict a simple
> logical thought.
> Other facts that contradict a simple logical thought are; 1. an antivirus
is
> a virus that does not destroy the cell, HIV would be the first and only
one
> to do so.
> 2. The 'truth' about de sindrome has been spread around before anyone had
> scientifically demonstrated it. There is a price offered for anyone who
> produces a picture of the virus, which is the way someone may claim that
has
> found a new virus. Medication "for" Aids has been used before it was
tested
> and it was approved in spite of that. The test for HIV is the only test
that
> pays royalties.
>
> All that needs to be considered, and yes, the ironic analogy to the earth
> not beeing flat may well be used, because, and just because, it MAY not be
> flat, in this case, there is reasonable doubt about that cause/consequence
> relation.
>
> One last word about "people dieing". People do die of starvation, taking
> drugs, smoking tobacco, having a sexual life with a frequency of over 50
> different people a week or, taking too much medication, for one reason or
> another. What the dissidents are saying is that the sindrome does exist,
and
> it would be caused by the way of life of the person, amongst other factors
> that could include, or not, an anti-virus. But a change in the way of life
> does not sell medication, does not help get funds for research.
>
> So, yes, if some day people find out that the earth is not flat, I´ll be
> glad to say, 'well, I did doubt the truth everybody was so sure of'.
>
> Thanks again, I really don´t think there is any need to discuss this
issue,
> it all began with the speculation on what would be Foucault´s attitude IF
he
> were alive.
>
> Thanks for your attention
>
> Carlos
>
> Em 09 Jan 2004, foucault-AT-lists.village.Virginia.EDU escreveu:
>
> >I certainly hope that list members do not conclude that this is an
> >appropriate topic on which to "withhold judgment" and have an "open
mind."
> >One might just as well have an "open mind" about whether the earth
revolves
> >the sun, or vice versa, or on whether the earth is flat or a spherical
> >shape. The only difference is that in this case, the idea that HIV does
not
> >cause AIDS has some rather serious, real world consequences: people die.
> >
> >> Hy Anthony,
> >>
> >> I am really not qualified to answer to your questions. Frankly, I am
not
> >> concentrated on that right now, I´m reading other subjects, working a
> lot,
> >> but I would like to sujest you see what is in this net pages, just for
> the
> >> sake of seeing with an "open mind" what are this scientists
> >> who disagree
> >> with the majority are saying:
> >>
> >> www.virusmyth.net/aids/
> >>
> >> www.oikos.org/aids/people.htm
> >>
> >> www.whatisaids.com
> >>
> >> www.ed-sherbeyn.com/main.htm
> >>
> >>
> >> I hope this could better illustrate the discution.
> >>
> >> Carlinhos
> >
> >Leo Casey
> >
> >Power concedes nothing without a demand.
> >It never has, and it never will.
> >If there is no struggle, there is no progress.
> >Those who profess to favor freedom, and yet deprecate agitation are men
who
> >want crops without plowing the ground. They want rain without thunder and
> >lightning. They want the ocean without the awful roar of its waters.
> >-- Frederick Douglass -- 
> >
> >---------- 
>
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