From: "McIntyre" <mcintyre-AT-phoblacht.net>
Subject: Re: Panopticon Reversed
Date: Mon, 10 May 2004 08:42:43 +0100


I am not sure this hits the spot - trained or not in earlier work or school
lives, the prison conjures into being a certain situational logic which can
mould a variety of experiences into one - exercising power over those in
their keep. The strongest and most courageous guards are those that refuse
to bend to the logic
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Mark Kelly" <mgekelly-AT-hotmail.com>
To: <foucault-AT-lists.village.Virginia.EDU>
Sent: Monday, May 10, 2004 8:33 AM
Subject: Re: Panopticon Reversed


> quite - and the guards in the Stanford Prison Experiment were never given
> any training. But then, as Foucauldians, we know that they were already
> trained to disciplinary environments throught their schools and
workplaces.
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "McIntyre" <mcintyre-AT-phoblacht.net>
> To: <foucault-AT-lists.village.Virginia.EDU>
> Sent: Monday, May 10, 2004 5:13 PM
> Subject: Re: Panopticon Reversed
>
>
> > this suggests that what happened is not the norm - jailers are the same
> > everywhere in that they exploit the opportunity to exercise power over
> > inmates - they are not educated or indoctrinated into behaving properly
> but
> > are subject to a variety of external constraints - the most trained
> soldiers
> > are often the most brutal and aggressive
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Lionel Boxer" <lboxer-AT-hotmail.com>
> > To: <foucault-AT-lists.village.Virginia.EDU>
> > Sent: Monday, May 10, 2004 3:51 AM
> > Subject: RE: Panopticon Reversed
> >
> >
> > > The jailers were army reservists.  Army reservists tend to meet for a
> few
> > > hours a week (recall George Bush's intermittent -virtually no
existent -
> > > service in the air force reserve). These people are not indoctrinated
to
> > the
> > > same degree as regular army people - one of the risks of employing
army
> > > reservists in operations.  It could be that they took photos of what
> they
> > > were doing to send to their friends at home.  They are certainly not
> > subject
> > > to military gaze to the same degree as regular army solders.
> > >
> > > Definitely a subject that could be explored with Foucauldian concepts.
>