Date: 24 Jan 97 18:18:22 EST
From: Bernhard Debatin <100762.3254-AT-compuserve.com>
Subject: Re: Habermas and Kluge


-pat scott931-AT-uidaho.edu wrote:
> After viewing the six reasons you don't like Habermas, I recalled that
> there was a work by Kluge which was a response to _The Structural
> Transformation of the Public Sphere_ that came out fairly early, and that
> a revised version (or perhaps a new book with a revised angle-I'm
> unclear on it) of immense length was recently finished (with recent
> meaning closer to the present time than the other book--I'm not sure of
> the dates, titles, or references).  

> Apparently, this long book is available only in German (to my knowledge),
> and I was curious if anyone on the list has read it yet, and what they
> thought of it.  

What you must mean is:

Oskar Negt/Alexander Kluge: Oeffentlichkeit und Erfahrung. Zur
Organisationsanalyse von buergerlicher und proletarischer Oeffentlichkeit.
Frankfurt: Suhrkamp, 1972

The second book by the two, which was some kind of a revised, extended and
sophisticated version but also some kind of a Anti-Deleuze/Guatarri, is:
Geschichte und Eigensinn. Geschichtliche Organisation der Arbeitsvermoegen -
Deutschland als Produktionsoeffentlichkeit. Frankfurt: Zweitausendeins 1981.
(this book should be available in the US at: BLUE ANGEL, Inc. 1738 Allied
Street, Charlottesville, VA 22091).

What I thought of it? Well... difficult to say in three sentences. The first
one, I would say, is pretty dated. The second one is an incredibly well read and
well written philosophical quarry. Nice pictures, too. 

Bernhard Debatin <100762,3254-AT-compuserve.com>