Subject: Re: A Marcuse Renaissance????
From: "Michael Handelman" <capitalismgotohell-AT-excite.com>
Date: Fri,  6 Sep 2002 03:30:24 -0400 (EDT)





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 I couldn't acess it too.


 --- On Thu 09/05, Ralph Dumain  wrote:
From: Ralph Dumain [mailto: rdumain-AT-igc.org]
To: frankfurt-school-AT-lists.village.virginia.edu
Date: Thu, 05 Sep 2002 23:04:56 -0400
Subject: Re: A Marcuse Renaissance????

> I should mention that I am unable to access the web page Christian Fuchs 
> referenced,
> http://cartoon.iguw.tuwien.ac.at/christian/marcuse_eng.html
> 
> Is anyone else having this problem?
> 
> Also, not restricting ourselves to instrumental politics, we should
> examine 
> how vastly different the cultural order is today from what it was in the 
> '50s and '60s, and thus gain a fresh perspective on Marcuse.
> 
> At 03:46 PM 9/5/02 -0400, MSalter1-AT-aol.com wrote:
> >One period of Marcuse's political interventions that is rarely
> discussed 
> >is his period working with or rather 'under' Franz Neumann in the US 
> >office of strategic services (OSS) where marcuse was a german
> specialist 
> >and involved in the preparation of denazfication measures for future 
> >Allied occucpation authorities. Katz' book Foreign intelligence is a
> good 
> >starting point although gthere has been a lot of materials
> declassified 
> >since then and now stored in the US national archives 2 at college
> park 
> >Washington. Neumann and HM wrote two drafts of an article o a theories
> of 
> >social change, which appear in Kellner's collection, which are less
> open 
> >to the objections that Ralph makes. theoretically M's interpretation
> of 
> >Hegel must have openned up Hegel to a generation that had almost
> >
> >In a message dated 05/09/2002 07:15:34 GMT Daylight Time,
> rdumain-AT-igc.org 
> >writes:
> >
> >
> >>Subj:Re: A Marcuse Renaissance????
> >>Date:05/09/2002 07:15:34 GMT Daylight Time
> >>From:rdumain-AT-igc.org
> >>Reply-to:frankfurt-school-AT-lists.village.virginia.edu
> >>To:frankfurt-school-AT-lists.village.virginia.edu
> >>Sent from the Internet
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>Well, it seems that Marcuse is somewhat dated, and not just
> because postwar
> >>prosperity and social democracy and American liberalism are dead. 
> What do
> >>you think survives of his philosophy?  The Freud-Marx synthesis? 
> The
> >>esthetic dimension?  Repressive desublimation?  The reading of
> Hegel?  The
> >>concept of negation?  Politically, I think he was questionable
> even in the
> >>1960s, and I can't imagine him being of much use in a changed
> world.  But I
> >>will have to read your essay.
> >>
> >>BTW, I think the most brilliant of the F.S. was Adorno, though he
> is was
> >>not associated with any revolutionary movements in the '60s.  SO
> what do
> >>you think that Marcuse has to offer that Adorno hasn't got?
> >>
> >>At 12:57 AM 9/5/02 +0200, Christian Fuchs wrote:
> >> >marcuse's philosophy was a practical philosophy, he was
> always looking for
> >> >social subjects of the negation of the negation of
> capitalism. on the
> >> >other hand the rebelling social levels were looking for
> theoretical
> >> >criticism of the situation of capitalism they live in and
> that they oppose.
> >> >today, we're in a quite similar situation: again we have a
> new social
> >> >movement that is looking for radical social change and that
> to a certain
> >> >extent opposes capitalism. marcuse said in essay on
> liberation that the
> >> >students of 68 revoked the idea of revolution from the
> continuum of
> >> >suppression and connected it with its true dimension - the
> one of
> >> >liberation. to a certain extent, the same could be said about
> the new
> >> >movement. for it, maybe not-yet revolution, but at least
> revolt is a
> >> >topical material reality.
> >> >what they are still missing is a more concrete analytical
> perspective of
> >> >the situation they live in and of the concrete utopian
> possibilities. but
> >> >they are certainly looking for it as for e.g. the success of
> negri and
> >> >hardt's "empire" shows. a topical interpretation of
> marxist praxis
> >> >philosophies like the ones of marcuse, bloch and others is
> surely needed
> >> >now and i think there could indeed be renewed interest for
> these ideas and
> >> >for a re-reading of marcuse at the beginning of the third
> millennium.
> >> >i think that hence it is very important that critical
> scientist show today
> >> >that marcuse's ideas are still relevant and topical in
> >> >information-societal capitalism and that he is not a 'dead
> dog' (like as
> >> >Hegel said Spinoza was considered in the times of Lessing).
> >> >my own attempt of a re-interpretation of marcuse in
> postfordist capitalism
> >> >can be found at
> >>
> >http://cart
> 
> >> oon.iguw.tuwien.ac.at/christian/marcuse_eng.html
> >> >
> >> >christian
> >> >
> >> >-----Ursprngliche Nachricht-----
> >> >Von: Michael
> Handelman
> >> >An:
> >>
> >frankfurt-school-AT-lis
> 
> >> ts.village.virginia.edu
> >> >
> >> >Gesendet: Mittwoch, 04. September 2002 02:42
> >> >Betreff: A Marcuse Renaissance????
> >> >
> >> >Marcuse in the 60s, was so popular that he could almost be
> seen as almost
> >> >a guru of the student revolutionaries.....However, it is
> quite amazing how
> >> >quickly he has drifted in obscurity.
> >> >
> >> >Do you think there's a possibility of a "Marcuse
> Renaissance" soon? While
> >> >there are of course serious problems with Marcuse (he seems
> to accept the
> >> >dominant ideology that Keynesianism had solved the problem of
> economic
> >> >crisis, something that from hindsight was a mistaken notion),
> he does seem
> >> >to have some extremely important ideas for the revolutionary
> project.
> >> >
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