Date: Sun, 7 Jul 1996 14:28:25 -0400 (EDT) From: Patrice McDermott <patricem-AT-capaccess.org> Subject: Re: Cyberpunk, men who want to learn, etc. I am really outraged at the tone of the postings from chloe. Would you, chloe, take such a condescending (one might say paternalistic!!) tone toward a woman who dared to post to the list and to engage in its conversations without being an expert on F-F. This sort of whatever the female equivalent of dick-waving is why I have left lists dominated by male academics (their dick-waving, obviously, not the female equivalent). I agree that one should have a more than glancing familiarity with a list topic before getting too active--but Don is only apparently so active because so few women are posting (myself included--and I do know something about the topics, I just don't have the summer break to engage in them). I am glad to see others are also responding. I would hate to see some really intriguing discussions derailed by petty invective. On Fri, 5 Jul 1996, chloe sekouri wrote: > Sorry- one more remark to add-- I replied rather too hastily to Nancy ( > before I actually read Don's reply, in fact.) > > Don, if you're on this list to learn, I have a couple of suggestions: > > *read, don't post*. Most of the women on this list post intelligently and > thoughtfully (tho' I'm not one of them); by following their discussion, you > may understand things from (one or more of the many and various) feminist > positions. You may not agree, of course, but you will know *why* we think > what we think. > > *go to the library and check out books*. No need to ask me or other women > here for a reading list. Simply perform a Bolean search of your university > library's catalog using "feminism, france" or some such as your key phrase. > if you don't know how to do a Bolean search, I'm willing to bet the farm the > university library employs someone who would be willing to show you how. > > *actually read the books you check out* If you try reading primary sources > and they seem really obscure or difficult, try reading some secondary > sources. One very accessible secondary source you might want to try is > Toril Moi's _Sexual/Textual Politics_. It will help you get a foot in the > door, so to speak. If you're really and truly lost while reading FF primary > and secondary sources, any good dictionary of philosophy that gives you > bite-size definitions of philosophical concepts, movements, etc. may be > helpful. I understand there are similar dictionaries of feminist thought > out there, too. > > If you still don't feel you know enough about this subject, I suggest you go > back to the beginning of the list above, and start over again. > > Oh and BTW-- when you mention how you're too old to actually beleive that > feminists will control men in general and you in particualr ( at least > within your lifetime), I suddenly flashed on a Foucault quote (french, but > not feminist): > > "When the proletariat takes power, it may be quite possible that the > proletariat will exert toward the classes over which it has triumphed a > violent, dictatorial, and even bloody power. I can't see what objection one > could make to this" (Foucault, cited in Miller, _The Passion of Michel > Foucalt_, p. 203). > > Thanks, and have a nice day. > > :-) > > chloe > Patrice McDermott patricem-AT-CapAccess.org
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