Date: Sun, 22 Dec 1996 07:23:26 +0200 From: Vadim Linetski <picador-AT-luckynet.co.il> Subject: Re: Kristeva's chora Leah Sheppard wrote: > > Hey Rachel, > > This from a lowly undergrad and you will get much more informed > resposes on this list, but if you want to align Kristeva and Lacan, > I think the proper comparison is between the Imaginary and the semiotic? > If the Kristeva and Lacan's Symbolics line up. Then what is the Real > for Kristeva? Hm... perhaps the chora. I get the sense that the > chora actually houses the semiotic. The Symbolic too? I'm not sure. > > Here's straight out of my bible of Feminism and Psychoanalysis: > "Kristeva clearly explains the costs and the conditions of the > acquisition of culture and a Symbolic position: the subject does > not develop naturally, nor is he or she merely the effects of > 'conditioning' or upbringing. Rather, Symbolic subjectivity is > founded on a constitutive repression (of the maternal, the chora, > the semiotic, the abject). > > To explain her notion of the semiotic, Kristeva refers to what Plato, > in the Timaeus, calls the chora. The chora is 'receptacle, unnameable, > improbable, hybrid, anterior to naming, to the one, to the father and > consequently maternally connoted' (from Desire in Language p133). > The chora is the site of the undifferentiated bodily space the mother > and the child share. A site for the production of the matrix/womb > and matter, the chora is the unnameable, unspeakable corporeality > of the inextricably tangled mother/child dyad which makes the > semiotic possible." > > Clear as mud, right? :) Gotta love Kristeva. > --LeaH > > > > > I've just begun reading Kristeva, and as I understand the chora, it is > > aligned with Lacan's mirror stage, before entry into the symbolic, the Law, > > etc. But, she posits language, the "semiotic", into this pre-symbolic stage, > > stating that the semiotic is repressed upon entry into the symbolic, but > > recognizable in disruptions in language, namely silences, > > contradictions....(elipses??).... I seem to see some resemblance of the > > chora, the untheorize-ability of it, to Lacan's REAL. Does Kristeva align > > the semiotic with the Real in any way? Also, if anyone could shed light upon > > the chora or ways to read the semiotic in language, I would much appreciate > > it. > > > > Merci, Rachel > > > > > > --- from list french-feminism-AT-lists.village.virginia.edu --- > > > > --- from list french-feminism-AT-lists.village.virginia.edu --- 21 March 97 i've discusssed the issues you queried about in my recent "THE PROMISE OF EXPRESSION..." in eleventh issue of PERFORATIONS (1997): http://ww.pd.org/topos/perforations/perf11/unspkable_chld.html also available via: http://www.cudenver.edu/~mryder/itc/postmodern.html#linetski hope you'll find smth of interest vadim --- from list french-feminism-AT-lists.village.virginia.edu ---
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