File spoon-archives/french-feminism.archive/french-feminism_1999/french-feminism.9901, message 22

Date: Wed, 20 Jan 1999 09:18:13 -0500 (EST)
Subject: Re: Paris-SubStance-UWO (fwd)

Jenny and others, perhaps,
I don't believe B Bechtold "purported to judge" your research; he said
something about the statement you made and the kind of discourse it
usually comes from.
Can we please take responsibility for our statements instead of growing
defensive and striking out?
P.S. It's probably the case that a very good argument indeed could be made
that _today's_ readings of Plato, Aristotle, etc. are very much informed
by readings of Marx, among other later thinkers. If modern thinkers didn't
effect and change the way we read earlier thinkers, I don't suppose
we'd bother reading the latter at all. Other good examples would be
Derrida and Plato (and Derrida and Marx, for that matter), or Irigaray and

On Tue, 20 Jan 1998, Jenny Armstrong wrote:

> B Bechtold said:
> >The type of comment made byJenny Armstrong is usually made by people who
> >have not
> bothered to read Marx' works, which is a tedious endeavor indeed.
> I find it intriguing that you would purport to judge what I have read and
> what I have not read by a few sentences I have uttered.  Where did you come
> by this amazing power, because I would like to acquire it too.
> >As far as the
> point at issue is concerned, the previous message sender's argument is easily
> verified by a quick reading of the Communist Manifesto. Further, calling
> everything Marx wrote "hogwash" would also spill over to the ideas of many
> others
> on whose work his writings rely, such as Hegel, Adam Smith and the state of
> economic thought up to the mid 19th century, etc. Thus, are the
> "Grundrisse"to be
> dismissed totally, for example? B. Bechtold.
> Is there in your opinion, B. Bechtold, a philosopher whose works do not
> rely on Marx.  I believe, since, we are engaging in retrospective
> historical analysis that you may wish to posit Plato and Aristotle and
> Diogenes and Spinoza are also dependant upon the philosophies and writings
> of karl marx?
> What hogwash!
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