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> Dear Colleague,
>
> You are invited to participate in the first UWO- SubStance Conference, to be
> held in October, 1999.
>
> Title and Topics:  Paris-SubStance-USA: The Passage of Literary and Cultural
> Criticism
>
> Sponsored by: SubStance: A Review of Theory and Literary Criticism, and The
> University of Western Ontario, London, Canada.
>
> You may attend, or submit a proposal relating to one of the following areas
> of discussion:
>
> *the historical context of French-American intellectual exchange
> *the American appropriation of French thought
> *the relevance of French thought to the education system in America
> *the losses and gains suffered by French theory in its transfer to "America"
> *the future of French thought and the future of
> *American literary theory and cultural criticism
>
> A small number of papers will be accepted to complement those of the invited
> guest speakers:
>
> Marc Angenot (McGill)
> Francoise Gaillard (Paris)
> Martin Jay (Berkeley)
> Christopher Norris (Cardiff)
> Tiphaine Samoyault (Paris)
>
>
> Representatives from the Board of Editors will act as respondants:
> Robert Barsky (UWO)
> David Bell (Duke)
> Paul Harris (LMU)
> Sydney Lévy (UCSB)
> Eric Méchoulen (UMontreal)
> Michel Pierssens (UMontreal)
>
> ********You can consult the SubStance site: ************
>
> www.substance.org
>
> for more info!
>
> Aim of the conference:
>
> The aim of this conference is to assess the impact of French theory and
> philosophy upon the American literary and cultural scene over the last 25
> years, and to look forward to new approaches for a new millennium. The
> SubStance group is particularly well placed to discuss these issues.
> Continuously published for 27 years, and now available on the
> internet,SubStance contains articles by and about the leading French
> thinkers,
> including Barthes, Baudrillard, Bourdieu, Cixous, De Certeau, Deleuze,
> Derrida, Foucault, Guattari, Kristeva, Lacan, Lyotard, Ricoeur, and Serres.
>
> Timing:
>
> This is an important moment for those interested in the future of literary
> and cultural criticism. A number of events in France and the United States
> have provoked discussion  about the future of theory and criticism, and the
> status of France as the purveyor of work for the foreseeable future.  First,
> this generation of theorists is aging, and there is no clear successor
> generation to take their place in the pantheon. Second, France has undergone
> exercises in soul-searching and intellectual introspection provoked by
> continued revelations about Vichy (through for example the recent Papon
> trial), the rise of the Front National, the  alliance of the traditional
> right (Gaullist) with the Front  National and the power it is given, the
> anniversary of mai '68 and the 1948 Declaration of the Rights of Man, the
> complete "deconfiture" of that same right, on-going revelations about the
> complicity of the French government  in the Rwanda massacre, and in the
> Algerian killings, and so on. Third, the end of the Cold War has moved us
> into a  new colonial era in which virtually any resistance to a capitalist
> consensus amongst ruling elites is relegated to the margins, and in which
> American interests are taken as  a touchstone for international
> interventions and G7 policies.  Fourth, the neo-liberal attack upon
> (liberal) higher  led to institutional 'rationalizing' and soul-searching.
> Fifth, the fallout of Impostures intellectuelles and the Sokal Hoax
> continues to be felt by those interested in the different approaches
> proposed by American and French  intellectuals. Finally, the immigration of
> so many figures into the US, physically and in terms of influence, remains a
> phenomenon of great significance.
>
> Importing-Exporting:
>
> This conference will address the very appropriation, translation and
> transformation of ideas across cultures and  continents. It will further
> consider the appropriation,  utilization, and even the purchase (through
> academic  hirings) of French theorists. How it has been transformed to
> fit... what? the American academic classroom and market  (its recuperation
> by cultural studies is telling)? The academic market tout court? This speaks
> to questions of the marketplace, including fashions, fads, and symbolic
> value. Why only in America do we have "post  structuralism", Derrida and
> Lyotard and Foucault schools? Why don't we have Bourdieu, Morin, Vernant and
> Serres schools? Why are there no such schools in France? Who  will be the
> next Derrida? Questions like this demand that the question of exchanges
> between the French and the American intellectual milieus be placed in a
> socio-historical context. Recent events in France, like the  Papon trial,
> receive considerable airplay in America, which  leads to questions about
> exactly what theoretical role the fascination with Vichy is playing in a
> certain American intellectual milieu interested in French thought and
> culture.  Once again, US dominance in capital markets is provoking
> certain colonization of France by American intellectuals bent upon forcing
> France to accept a lesson dispensed by American forces of "global
> democratization". The lesson  Sokal thought he was imposing on us - the
> emperor's new   clothes - bears a strange resemblance to the lesson  certain
> Vichy historians seem to be dispensing about the French claim to have
> invented the rights of man - the  emperor's new clothes once again. So
> another question for  the conference relates to the perspective of the
> observer:  Who has the vantage point from which to say that the emperor has
> no clothes?
>
> Functioning:
>
> The conference will be held on the campus of the University of Western
> Ontario, London, Ontario, during the weekend of October 22-24,1999.
> A  panel of leading intellectuals
> will be invited to present major  papers on different angles of issues
> discussed above. The conference will be held over a three day period, and
> will  feature five sessions, one for each of the papers by the  keynote
> speakers. There will then be short papers given by those whose papers have
> been accepted in the general call for papers, followed by response from the
> speaker and general discussion.
>
> To the degree that it is possible, papers, or long descriptions thereof,
> will be available in advance, and posted on  the SubStance site at:
> www.sub.stance.org
> prior to the conference. All proceedings will be recorded, and a special
> issue of the  journal will be published forthwith.
>
>      Contact:
>
>      Professor Robert F. Barsky
>      Department of English
>      University of Western Ontario
>      London, Ontario
>      N6A 3K7
>
>      (519) 661-2111 extension 5825
>      rbarsky-AT-uwo.ca
>
>    ----------------------------------------------------------------
> Dear Colleague,
>
> You are invited to participate in the first UWO- SubStance Conference,
> to be
> held in October, 1999.
>
> Title and Topics:  Paris-SubStance-USA: The Passage of Literary and
> Cultural
> Criticism
>
> Sponsored by: SubStance: A Review of Theory and Literary Criticism,
> and The
> University of Western Ontario, London, Canada.
>
> You may attend, or submit a proposal relating to one of the following
> areas
> of discussion:
>
> *the historical context of French-American intellectual exchange
> *the American appropriation of French thought
> *the relevance of French thought to the education system in America
> *the losses and gains suffered by French theory in its transfer to
> "America"
> *the future of French thought and the future of
> *American literary theory and cultural criticism
>
> A small number of papers will be accepted to complement those of the
> invited
> guest speakers:
>
> Marc Angenot (McGill)
> Francoise Gaillard (Paris)
> Martin Jay (Berkeley)
> Christopher Norris (Cardiff)
> Tiphaine Samoyault (Paris)
>
>
> Representatives from the Board of Editors will act as respondants:
> Robert Barsky (UWO)
> David Bell (Duke)
> Paul Harris (LMU)
> Sydney Lévy (UCSB)
> Eric Méchoulen (UMontreal)
> Michel Pierssens (UMontreal)
>
> ********You can consult the SubStance site: ************
>
> www.substance.org
>
> for more info!
>
> Aim of the conference:
>
> The aim of this conference is to assess the impact of French theory
> and
> philosophy upon the American literary and cultural scene over the last
> 25
> years, and to look forward to new approaches for a new millennium. The
>
> SubStance group is particularly well placed to discuss these issues.
> Continuously published for 27 years, and now available on the
> internet,SubStance contains articles by and about the leading French
> thinkers,
> including Barthes, Baudrillard, Bourdieu, Cixous, De Certeau, Deleuze,
>
> Derrida, Foucault, Guattari, Kristeva, Lacan, Lyotard, Ricoeur, and
> Serres.
>
> Timing:
>
> This is an important moment for those interested in the future of
> literary
> and cultural criticism. A number of events in France and the United
> States
> have provoked discussion  about the future of theory and criticism,
> and the
> status of France as the purveyor of work for the foreseeable future.
> First,
> this generation of theorists is aging, and there is no clear successor
>
> generation to take their place in the pantheon. Second, France has
> undergone
> exercises in soul-searching and intellectual introspection provoked by
>
> continued revelations about Vichy (through for example the recent
> Papon
> trial), the rise of the Front National, the  alliance of the
> traditional
> right (Gaullist) with the Front  National and the power it is given,
> the
> anniversary of mai '68 and the 1948 Declaration of the Rights of Man,
> the
> complete "deconfiture" of that same right, on-going revelations about
> the
> complicity of the French government  in the Rwanda massacre, and in
> the
> Algerian killings, and so on. Third, the end of the Cold War has moved
> us
> into a  new colonial era in which virtually any resistance to a
> capitalist
> consensus amongst ruling elites is relegated to the margins, and in
> which
> American interests are taken as  a touchstone for international
> interventions and G7 policies.  Fourth, the neo-liberal attack upon
> (liberal) higher  led to institutional 'rationalizing' and
> soul-searching.
> Fifth, the fallout of Impostures intellectuelles and the Sokal Hoax
> continues to be felt by those interested in the different approaches
> proposed by American and French  intellectuals. Finally, the
> immigration of
> so many figures into the US, physically and in terms of influence,
> remains a
> phenomenon of great significance.
>
> Importing-Exporting:
>
> This conference will address the very appropriation, translation and
> transformation of ideas across cultures and  continents. It will
> further
> consider the appropriation,  utilization, and even the purchase
> (through
> academic  hirings) of French theorists. How it has been transformed to
>
> fit... what? the American academic classroom and market  (its
> recuperation
> by cultural studies is telling)? The academic market tout court? This
> speaks
> to questions of the marketplace, including fashions, fads, and
> symbolic
> value. Why only in America do we have "post  structuralism", Derrida
> and
> Lyotard and Foucault schools? Why don't we have Bourdieu, Morin,
> Vernant and
> Serres schools? Why are there no such schools in France? Who  will be
> the
> next Derrida? Questions like this demand that the question of
> exchanges
> between the French and the American intellectual milieus be placed in
> a
> socio-historical context. Recent events in France, like the  Papon
> trial,
> receive considerable airplay in America, which  leads to questions
> about
> exactly what theoretical role the fascination with Vichy is playing in
> a
> certain American intellectual milieu interested in French thought and
> culture.  Once again, US dominance in capital markets is provoking
> certain colonization of France by American intellectuals bent upon
> forcing
> France to accept a lesson dispensed by American forces of "global
> democratization". The lesson  Sokal thought he was imposing on us -
> the
> emperor's new   clothes - bears a strange resemblance to the lesson
> certain
> Vichy historians seem to be dispensing about the French claim to have
> invented the rights of man - the  emperor's new clothes once again. So
>
> another question for  the conference relates to the perspective of the
>
> observer:  Who has the vantage point from which to say that the
> emperor has
> no clothes?
>
> Functioning:
>
> The conference will be held on the campus of the University of Western
>
> Ontario, London, Ontario, during the weekend of October 22-24,1999.
> A  panel of leading intellectuals
> will be invited to present major  papers on different angles of issues
>
> discussed above. The conference will be held over a three day period,
> and
> will  feature five sessions, one for each of the papers by the
> keynote
> speakers. There will then be short papers given by those whose papers
> have
> been accepted in the general call for papers, followed by response
> from the
> speaker and general discussion.
>
> To the degree that it is possible, papers, or long descriptions
> thereof,
> will be available in advance, and posted on  the SubStance site at:
> www.sub.stance.org
> prior to the conference. All proceedings will be recorded, and a
> special
> issue of the  journal will be published forthwith.
>
>      Contact:
>
>      Professor Robert F. Barsky
>      Department of English
>      University of Western Ontario
>      London, Ontario
>      N6A 3K7
>
>      (519) 661-2111 extension 5825
>      rbarsky-AT-uwo.ca



--
Kathleen O'Grady
Department of Religious Studies
University of Calgary
Social Sciences 1308
2500 University Dr. NW
Calgary, Alberta  T2N 1N4  Canada

Phone: (403) 220-7063
Fax: (403) 210-0801
Email: kogrady-AT-ucalgary.ca
or ko10001-AT-hermes.cam.ac.uk

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Dear Colleague,

You are invited to participate in the first UWO- SubStance Conference, to be
held in October, 1999.

Title and Topics:  Paris-SubStance-USA: The Passage of Literary and Cultural
Criticism

Sponsored by: SubStance: A Review of Theory and Literary Criticism, and The
University of Western Ontario, London, Canada.

You may attend, or submit a proposal relating to one of the following areas
of discussion:

*the historical context of French-American intellectual exchange
*the American appropriation of French thought
*the relevance of French thought to the education system in America
*the losses and gains suffered by French theory in its transfer to "America"
*the future of French thought and the future of
*American literary theory and cultural criticism

A small number of papers will be accepted to complement those of the invited
guest speakers:

Marc Angenot (McGill)
Francoise Gaillard (Paris)
Martin Jay (Berkeley)
Christopher Norris (Cardiff)
Tiphaine Samoyault (Paris)


Representatives from the Board of Editors will act as respondants:
Robert Barsky (UWO)
David Bell (Duke)
Paul Harris (LMU)
Sydney Lévy (UCSB)
Eric Méchoulen (UMontreal)
Michel Pierssens (UMontreal)

********You can consult the SubStance site: ************

www.substance.org

for more info!

Aim of the conference:

The aim of this conference is to assess the impact of French theory and
philosophy upon the American literary and cultural scene over the last 25
years, and to look forward to new approaches for a new millennium. The
SubStance group is particularly well placed to discuss these issues.
Continuously published for 27 years, and now available on the
internet,SubStance contains articles by and about the leading French
thinkers,
including Barthes, Baudrillard, Bourdieu, Cixous, De Certeau, Deleuze,
Derrida, Foucault, Guattari, Kristeva, Lacan, Lyotard, Ricoeur, and Serres.

Timing:

This is an important moment for those interested in the future of literary
and cultural criticism. A number of events in France and the United States
have provoked discussion  about the future of theory and criticism, and the
status of France as the purveyor of work for the foreseeable future.  First,
this generation of theorists is aging, and there is no clear successor
generation to take their place in the pantheon. Second, France has undergone
exercises in soul-searching and intellectual introspection provoked by
continued revelations about Vichy (through for example the recent Papon
trial), the rise of the Front National, the  alliance of the traditional
right (Gaullist) with the Front  National and the power it is given, the
anniversary of mai '68 and the 1948 Declaration of the Rights of Man, the
complete "deconfiture" of that same right, on-going revelations about the
complicity of the French government  in the Rwanda massacre, and in the
Algerian killings, and so on. Third, the end of the Cold War has moved us
into a  new colonial era in which virtually any resistance to a capitalist
consensus amongst ruling elites is relegated to the margins, and in which
American interests are taken as  a touchstone for international
interventions and G7 policies.  Fourth, the neo-liberal attack upon
(liberal) higher  led to institutional 'rationalizing' and soul-searching.
Fifth, the fallout of Impostures intellectuelles and the Sokal Hoax
continues to be felt by those interested in the different approaches
proposed by American and French  intellectuals. Finally, the immigration of
so many figures into the US, physically and in terms of influence, remains a
phenomenon of great significance.

Importing-Exporting:

This conference will address the very appropriation, translation and
transformation of ideas across cultures and  continents. It will further
consider the appropriation,  utilization, and even the purchase (through
academic  hirings) of French theorists. How it has been transformed to
fit... what? the American academic classroom and market  (its recuperation
by cultural studies is telling)? The academic market tout court? This speaks
to questions of the marketplace, including fashions, fads, and symbolic
value. Why only in America do we have "post  structuralism", Derrida and
Lyotard and Foucault schools? Why don't we have Bourdieu, Morin, Vernant and
Serres schools? Why are there no such schools in France? Who  will be the
next Derrida? Questions like this demand that the question of exchanges
between the French and the American intellectual milieus be placed in a
socio-historical context. Recent events in France, like the  Papon trial,
receive considerable airplay in America, which  leads to questions about
exactly what theoretical role the fascination with Vichy is playing in a
certain American intellectual milieu interested in French thought and
culture.  Once again, US dominance in capital markets is provoking
certain colonization of France by American intellectuals bent upon forcing
France to accept a lesson dispensed by American forces of "global
democratization". The lesson  Sokal thought he was imposing on us - the
emperor's new   clothes - bears a strange resemblance to the lesson  certain
Vichy historians seem to be dispensing about the French claim to have
invented the rights of man - the  emperor's new clothes once again. So
another question for  the conference relates to the perspective of the
observer:  Who has the vantage point from which to say that the emperor has
no clothes?

Functioning:

The conference will be held on the campus of the University of Western
Ontario, London, Ontario, during the weekend of October 22-24,1999.
A  panel of leading intellectuals
will be invited to present major  papers on different angles of issues
discussed above. The conference will be held over a three day period, and
will  feature five sessions, one for each of the papers by the  keynote
speakers. There will then be short papers given by those whose papers have
been accepted in the general call for papers, followed by response from the
speaker and general discussion.

To the degree that it is possible, papers, or long descriptions thereof,
will be available in advance, and posted on  the SubStance site at:
www.sub.stance.org
prior to the conference. All proceedings will be recorded, and a special
issue of the  journal will be published forthwith.

     Contact:

     Professor Robert F. Barsky
     Department of English
     University of Western Ontario
     London, Ontario
     N6A 3K7

     (519) 661-2111 extension 5825
     rbarsky-AT-uwo.ca

---

Dear Colleague,

You are invited to participate in the first UWO- SubStance Conference, to be
held in October, 1999.

Title and Topics:  Paris-SubStance-USA: The Passage of Literary and Cultural
Criticism

Sponsored by: SubStance: A Review of Theory and Literary Criticism, and The
University of Western Ontario, London, Canada.

You may attend, or submit a proposal relating to one of the following areas
of discussion:

*the historical context of French-American intellectual exchange
*the American appropriation of French thought
*the relevance of French thought to the education system in America
*the losses and gains suffered by French theory in its transfer to "America"
*the future of French thought and the future of
*American literary theory and cultural criticism

A small number of papers will be accepted to complement those of the invited
guest speakers:

Marc Angenot (McGill)
Francoise Gaillard (Paris)
Martin Jay (Berkeley)
Christopher Norris (Cardiff)
Tiphaine Samoyault (Paris)
 

Representatives from the Board of Editors will act as respondants:
Robert Barsky (UWO)
David Bell (Duke)
Paul Harris (LMU)
Sydney Lévy (UCSB)
Eric Méchoulen (UMontreal)
Michel Pierssens (UMontreal)

********You can consult the SubStance site: ************

www.substance.org

for more info!

Aim of the conference:

The aim of this conference is to assess the impact of French theory and
philosophy upon the American literary and cultural scene over the last 25
years, and to look forward to new approaches for a new millennium. The
SubStance group is particularly well placed to discuss these issues.
Continuously published for 27 years, and now available on the
internet,SubStance contains articles by and about the leading French
thinkers,
including Barthes, Baudrillard, Bourdieu, Cixous, De Certeau, Deleuze,
Derrida, Foucault, Guattari, Kristeva, Lacan, Lyotard, Ricoeur, and Serres.

Timing:

This is an important moment for those interested in the future of literary
and cultural criticism. A number of events in France and the United States
have provoked discussion  about the future of theory and criticism, and the
status of France as the purveyor of work for the foreseeable future.  First,
this generation of theorists is aging, and there is no clear successor
generation to take their place in the pantheon. Second, France has undergone
exercises in soul-searching and intellectual introspection provoked by
continued revelations about Vichy (through for example the recent Papon
trial), the rise of the Front National, the  alliance of the traditional
right (Gaullist) with the Front  National and the power it is given, the
anniversary of mai '68 and the 1948 Declaration of the Rights of Man, the
complete "deconfiture" of that same right, on-going revelations about the
complicity of the French government  in the Rwanda massacre, and in the
Algerian killings, and so on. Third, the end of the Cold War has moved us
into a  new colonial era in which virtually any resistance to a capitalist
consensus amongst ruling elites is relegated to the margins, and in which
American interests are taken as  a touchstone for international
interventions and G7 policies.  Fourth, the neo-liberal attack upon
(liberal) higher  led to institutional 'rationalizing' and soul-searching.
Fifth, the fallout of Impostures intellectuelles and the Sokal Hoax
continues to be felt by those interested in the different approaches
proposed by American and French  intellectuals. Finally, the immigration of
so many figures into the US, physically and in terms of influence, remains a
phenomenon of great significance.

Importing-Exporting:

This conference will address the very appropriation, translation and
transformation of ideas across cultures and  continents. It will further
consider the appropriation,  utilization, and even the purchase (through
academic  hirings) of French theorists. How it has been transformed to
fit... what? the American academic classroom and market  (its recuperation
by cultural studies is telling)? The academic market tout court? This speaks
to questions of the marketplace, including fashions, fads, and symbolic
value. Why only in America do we have "post  structuralism", Derrida and
Lyotard and Foucault schools? Why don't we have Bourdieu, Morin, Vernant and
Serres schools? Why are there no such schools in France? Who  will be the
next Derrida? Questions like this demand that the question of exchanges
between the French and the American intellectual milieus be placed in a
socio-historical context. Recent events in France, like the  Papon trial,
receive considerable airplay in America, which  leads to questions about
exactly what theoretical role the fascination with Vichy is playing in a
certain American intellectual milieu interested in French thought and
culture.  Once again, US dominance in capital markets is provoking
certain colonization of France by American intellectuals bent upon forcing
France to accept a lesson dispensed by American forces of "global
democratization". The lesson  Sokal thought he was imposing on us - the
emperor's new   clothes - bears a strange resemblance to the lesson  certain
Vichy historians seem to be dispensing about the French claim to have
invented the rights of man - the  emperor's new clothes once again. So
another question for  the conference relates to the perspective of the
observer:  Who has the vantage point from which to say that the emperor has
no clothes?

Functioning:

The conference will be held on the campus of the University of Western
Ontario, London, Ontario, during the weekend of October 22-24,1999.
A  panel of leading intellectuals
will be invited to present major  papers on different angles of issues
discussed above. The conference will be held over a three day period, and
will  feature five sessions, one for each of the papers by the  keynote
speakers. There will then be short papers given by those whose papers have
been accepted in the general call for papers, followed by response from the
speaker and general discussion.

To the degree that it is possible, papers, or long descriptions thereof,
will be available in advance, and posted on  the SubStance site at:
www.sub.stance.org
prior to the conference. All proceedings will be recorded, and a special
issue of the  journal will be published forthwith.

     Contact:

     Professor Robert F. Barsky
     Department of English
     University of Western Ontario
     London, Ontario
     N6A 3K7

     (519) 661-2111 extension 5825
     rbarsky-AT-uwo.ca

--
Kathleen O'Grady
Department of Religious Studies
University of Calgary
Social Sciences 1308
2500 University Dr. NW
Calgary, Alberta  T2N 1N4  Canada

Phone: (403) 220-7063
Fax: (403) 210-0801
Email: kogrady-AT-ucalgary.ca
or ko10001-AT-hermes.cam.ac.uk
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