Subject: HAB: More on:  Intersubjective constitution of identity and communicat
Date: Thu, 5 Mar 1998 15:20:09 -0600


Brian -

Yes, exactly.  This is just the sort of thing I have in mind when I make a
distinction between processes of identity formation and communicative action.  I
just needed about three times as many words to say it as you.

	-----Original Message-----
	From:	Brian Caterino [SMTP:bcaterino-AT-csi.com]
	Sent:	Thursday, March 05, 1998 1:50 PM
	To:	habermas-AT-jefferson.village.virginia.edu
	Subject:	HAB: Re: RE: Re: intersubjective constitution of
identity and communicativ e interaction

	Charles et al. 

	For the sake of argument and with some loose ends!! consider a couple of
	thoughts

	What about gestures a la Mead's account of the origins of symbolic
	interaction. Doesn't the child (even the young infant) respond to
gestures.
	Though the child may not be a Habermasian subject in the strict sense
	doesn't he or she recognize, even if only vaguely that these are
gestures
	are meaningful. Hen there is already a communicative relation between
self
	and other.Don't gestures already indicate a "communicative intent" (or
	something like that). 

	2) would it make any sense to look at the way that the "social
Freudians"
	such as Melanie Klein and her followers, look at the issue of the
child's
	early relations with the (as you so delicately put it with regard to
	political correctness) "caretaker". They take a rather different view
than
	Freud did regarding the emergence of moral sense and relations to
others.
	IT seems to have some bearing on the question oft emergence of the
child's
	sense of others.

	Brian Caterino






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