Date: Sun, 4 Oct 1998 19:21:35 EDT Subject: Re: HAB: Formalism In a message dated 10/4/98 9:37:46 AM Eastern Daylight Time, kenneth.mackendrick-AT-utoronto.ca writes: << To put this another way - you have to believe in a belief about law. >> Not necessarily, you have to work in a consequentialist view in your action calculations otherwise you could end up in jail or a statistic of natural justice, but you do not need to have a belief about law. However, Habermas addresses this aspect by claiming, implicitly, I believe, that the legitimacy of the law is of paramount importance in any society. What Habermas' addresses is just this lack of belief, that is, the lack of legitimacy accorded to the legal order. He explores why this is the case in his analysis in BFN. <<Habermas's point is that (U) is the minimal moral content of any possible argument that attempts to coordinate actions based on mutual understanding. (U) is the universal moral content of discourse ethics.>> If you know where Habermas says this, let me know. I have the impression that U refers to Universal Pragmatics which is the notion that all speech utterances contain claims to validity: to truth, rightness, truthfulness, and comprehensibility (in "What is Universal Pragmatics). The universal refers to the preconditions of communicative interaction and I think that this refers to any kind communication not to the distinction between strategic and communicative action. Of course, strategic communication makes false validity claims but attempts to deceive the interlocutor into believing that the validity claims are redeemable. Not being redeemable leads to interdiction by the legal order or by dictates of natural justice. Habermas makes the incisive point about universalization that it requires justification at several levels and so is open to skeptical arguments. He claims that U is a rule of argumentation and hence a rule of discourse. Note that Habermas differentiates between communication and discourse in that discourse refers to politics. Universal presuppositions at one level of discourse may change at other levels and in other fields of discourse. Of course, there is no generalization of U from argumentation to action although action may be regulated by argumentation which requires its own justification. And lastly, a person may throw off the U from one situation when leaving that situation. How is continuity and consistency to be explained? The abstract appearance of the laws is just that, an appearance. All formal or universal laws are still anchored by precedents as their concrete foundation, and to the extent that they are held as legitimate for this reason, these laws will bring their consequences with them, whereas, when not considered legitimate, their coercive force is practically lost. The controversy about U can be found in S. Benhabib and F. Dallmayr, "The Communicative Ethics Controversy," 1990). Fred Welfare --- from list habermas-AT-lists.village.virginia.edu ---
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