Date: Fri, 16 Apr 1999 13:36:19 -0500 (CDT) Subject: HAB: Re: communicative attitude and justificatory force On my puzzlement about whether communicative attitudes of discourse particiants are a necessary basis for the justificatory force of agreements reached or merely enhance the chances of actual discursive success, I think my hesitation to take the position you do (although I find it appealing) stems from my sense that the idealizations which confer justificatory force on agreements reached are all contained in (i.e., expressable as) the rules of discourse and are not qualities possessed by participants. If taking a communicative attitude merely means complying with the rules of discourse, then there would be no problem since there'd be a sort of material equivalence. But taking a communicative attitude seems to entail arguing in the spirit of the rules of discourse, not merely in accordance with them--kind of an "aus Pflicht" thing. But if this is so, and it seems to be, then the justificatory force of agreements reached in discourses is based not only on the rules of discourse but also on qualities of the participants. In that case, at least some of the "competencies, attitudes, and values" of discourse participants are more than success-facilitating (thus basically motivational in nature) but are also an additional basis (along with the rules of discourse) for the justificatory force of agreements reached in discourse. This conclusion, however, blurs the worthwhile distinction between justification and motivation, which raises the danger of the justificatory force of agreements reached in discourse (and not merely their chances of being reached) depending on substantive characteristics of particpants as well as on the procedural conditions of argumentation. This runs the risk of both overburdening discourse participants and of circularly privileging certain values (which does not happen when they are merely success-facilitating and not a basis of justificatory force of agreements). It may well be, however, that a communicative attitude is severable from other characteristics of discourse participants that are merely success-facilitating and not bases of justificatory force. In this view, a communicative attitude, unlike other competencies and values of partipants, could be seen as something of an extension of the rules of discourse into participants, a quality of participants to be sure but one that is itself based on rules of discourse--namely, arguing not just in accord with them but in their spirit. If this is at all clear, then communicative attitudes, unlike other competencies and values of participants, can be conceptually tied to the rules of discourse, which would allow them to play a justificatory role without utterly undermining the distinction between justification and motivation on which so much rests. Maybe Habermas's use of the phrase "rationally motivated agreement" to describe the justificatory force of discursive agreement, which seems paradoxical in light of the distinction between justification and motivation, coheres with this limited and exceptional inclusion of particiants' communicative attitudes as a motivational factor which nonetheless is a basis for the justificatory force of discursively reached agreements. So I provisionally conclude that a communicative attitude of discourse participants is, along with the rules of discourse, a necessary basis for the justificatory force of discursively achieved agreements, despite its being a personal characteristic of participants, because of its essential connection to the rules of discourse. Vic Peterson --- from list habermas-AT-lists.village.virginia.edu ---
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