Date: Mon, 24 Jan 2000 15:53:27 -0600 From: Tony Lack <alack-AT-lee.edu> Subject: Re: HAB: Habermas and exclusion of minority groups >I struggling to make sense of how Habermas would fit exclusion of >minority groups such as immigrants and, in the most extreme version, >bag people. Considering Strukturwandel der ffentlichkeit, i find it >to be a symptom of excessive colonisation of the intimate sphere >(i'm not sure of the english translation of the terms) by the >structural spheres such as the economic and the personal. >Am i on the right track? >Does he describe the problem of exclusion in any articles? > >Thank you >J.S.Pedersen > >Dear J.S., There are at least two ways to think about Habermas and the issue of exclusion. I am not sure exactly what you are after, so i will touch briefly on both approaches. First, where does Habermas himself discuss the problem of exclusion, and who/what is the mechanism of exclusion? I think your assumptions about 'colonization' are accurate but it is a phenomenon that is not limited to the intimisphere. If you look at Legitimation Crisis, which comes a little later than Strukturwandel ... you'll find him articulating a theory of 'exclusion' (in some sense) where the state and the market colonize or undermine other institutions. This creates a number of 'crisis tendencies' in the society; people don't believe in the system, they see how corrupt it is, they don't want to work anymore, they care only for themselves and do not extend solidarity to others, etc, and they drop out or become cynical or apathetic. I think he is talking here of exclusion of 'the public' rather than of minority groups, but you might be able to see how different groups are adversely affected by certain aspects of colonization. I think that Habermas continues this basic of theme colonization and exclusion at least up through Theory of Coommunicative Action, Vols 1 and 2. See his reinterpretation of Weber and of Durkheim especially. Now, there is a second question that one might ask; Are Habermas's responses to what he class colonization, his theories about Discourse Ethics and Law, also exclusionary? Are minorities and members of the working class in any way excluded from participation in Discourses about society or law? Many have taken this question up. If you are asking about this, then see Axel Honneth's, Essays in Social and Political Philosophy, especially chapters 10 and 12. There is a recent book out-- maybe someone can help me remember the title-- a collection of essays that touch on issues of marginalization and exclusion. Tony Lack > > --- from list habermas-AT-lists.village.virginia.edu --- <excerpt>I struggling to make sense of how Habermas would fit exclusion of minority groups such as immigrants and, in the most extreme version, bag people. Considering Strukturwandel der ffentlichkeit, i find it to be a symptom of excessive colonisation of the intimate sphere (i'm not sure of the english translation of the terms) by the structural spheres such as the economic and the personal. Am i on the right track? Does he describe the problem of exclusion in any articles? Thank you J.S.Pedersen Dear J.S., </excerpt> There are at least two ways to think about Habermas and the issue of exclusion. I am not sure exactly what you are after, so i will touch briefly on both approaches. First, where does Habermas himself discuss the problem of exclusion, and who/what is the mechanism of exclusion? I think your assumptions about 'colonization' are accurate but it is a phenomenon that is not limited to the intimisphere. If you look at Legitimation Crisis, which comes a little later than Strukturwandel ... you'll find him articulating a theory of 'exclusion' (in some sense) where the state and the market colonize or undermine other institutions. This creates a number of 'crisis tendencies' in the society; people don't believe in the system, they see how corrupt it is, they don't want to work anymore, they care only for themselves and do not extend solidarity to others, etc, and they drop out or become cynical or apathetic. I think he is talking here of exclusion of 'the public' rather than of minority groups, but you might be able to see how different groups are adversely affected by certain aspects of colonization. I think that Habermas continues this basic of theme colonization and exclusion at least up through Theory of Coommunicative Action, Vols 1 and 2. See his reinterpretation of Weber and of Durkheim especially. Now, there is a second question that one might ask; Are Habermas's responses to what he class colonization, his theories about Discourse Ethics and Law, also exclusionary? Are minorities and members of the working class in any way excluded from participation in Discourses about society or law? Many have taken this question up. If you are asking about this, then see Axel Honneth's, <underline>Essays in Social and Political Philosophy</underline>, especially chapters 10 and 12. There is a recent book out-- maybe someone can help me remember the title-- a collection of essays that touch on issues of marginalization and exclusion. Tony Lack <excerpt> --- from list habermas-AT-lists.village.virginia.edu --- </excerpt> --- from list habermas-AT-lists.village.virginia.edu ---
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