Date: Fri, 30 Jun 2000 17:14:24 -0700 (PDT) Subject: HAB: re: colonization (part 2 of 2) Well, gee: In view of Educardo's elaborate, superbly articulated response to Kevin's posting (which wasn't received when I posted my "part 1 of 2" a few minutes ago), I don't think I can usefully add much. So, I'll focus my free afternoon instead on your thought-provoking comments, Eduardo--but respond to Kevin as well, further on (and let me say up front that I haven't yet read your most recent posting, Kevin, beyond your hereby acknowledged disavowal of Leninism :} But you don't escape altogether!). I'm glad to not have ever felt any "sort of Habermasian schizophrenia" (Eduardo's allusion to other 1991 readers). For quite some time, I've found Habermas' work "coherent" and "unified" (while necessarily incomplete, as any fallibilist openness has to be--seeing incompleteness as a tacit invitation or challenge that I might imagine meeting--in my dreams!) Eduardo: Notwithstanding the apparent consistency of certain Habermasian themes: communication, understanding, validity claims, etc. etc, there are ruptures, shifts of emphasis, adoption of unforseen philosophical perspectives. Gary: One would hope! in fallibalist, open-mined, evolving work. E: The more noticeable rupture, and not necessarily the first one, is that between the Habermas of _Knowledge and Human Interests_ and the Habermas of TCA. G: Yet, communication, understanding and validity claims, "etc., etc." (?) are not just themes in Habermas' work; they are fundamental or guiding concepts, which exhibit continuity between the very different projects of KHI vis-a-vis TCA. I don't see a philosophical rupture in the decade between these projects; rather an evolution of discourse (and greater articulation of the validity basis of speech, both cognitively and socioculturally) from a focus on key theorists for him in philosophy of science generally (Peirce, Dilthey, Freud--after Kant, Hegel and Marx) to a theory of social evolution *relatived* to key theorists in contemporary social theory. It seems to me that ascribable rupture is between audiences (as projects *are*), not a rupture in thinking (which exhibits the learning processes that have been thematized). E: The colonization theory is essentially a neo-Marxist category, an extension if you will of the reification and alienation theories of the Western Marxism that you find in Lukacs, Marcuse, Adorno, et. al. G: What is it to be "essentially a neo-Marxist" by extension? His critique of Marxist materialst epistemology is not forgotten in his post-Weberian, neo-Parsonian explication of the colonization model in TCA. I was drawn to Habermas in the first place inasmuch as he was clearly (to me) *post*-Marxist (post-Marcusean, in particular), and I've seen very often how misconception of Habermas' analyses (turning Habermas into a "Habermas" straw man or foil of the critic's own self formation) happens precisely in terms of neo-Marxist and Hegelian-Marxist assurances about Habermas' basic affiliations (perhaps confusing solidarity in metapractice with kindredness in metatheory; after all, isn't anticipations about "radical" practice that very often brings new readers to Habermas' metatheoretical entwinements?). I've found it essential for understanding Habermas that (1) the theory of social evolution is fundamental to his sense of philosophy as reconstructive interdisciplinarity, which is inconceivable from a neo-Hegelian, pre-Darwinian point of view, (2) the analysis of system differentiation is relativized to the communicative theory of lifeworld interaction, which is inconceivable as a mere distinction between symbolic and social interaction or interaction and labor, and (3) the colonization model is a critical, fallibilistic perspective which is a derived mode of (or supervenient on) the metatheoretical background, (1) and (2), which would understand reification and alienation as aspects of or attributes of colonization, not colonization as essentially alienation or/and reification enriched, *because*: Relations of background embodiment and interactivity is essential to the notion of colonization, which the notions of alienation and reification cannot basically serve to clarify. E: Habermas, in my view, wanted to retain the critical impetus of the thought figure, but he was also aware of the theoretical prize [GD: Hey, I like that!...price] to be paid: something like a self-eviscerating theoretical reflexivity. G: Yikes. E: Habermas was aware, and this has been one of his major contributiotins, that the critical age [! edge?] of something like a "colonisation" thesis makes sense if you are able to render the theoretical standpoint from which you make such a pronouncement inmune to the very reification and objectification that drives colonization. This is the question of normativity. G: It seems to me that this is the question of method, which of course is a procedural normativity (in critical social science--regulated by metanormative discourse "ethics" or a discursive metaethic of reconstructive science), but normativity of procedure is a special, systemic sense of normativity in communicative interaction. E: To put it in the Hegelianes, if colonization is an extension of the logic of rationalization as reification (Lukacs and Adorno) that drives history, then all cows are black in such a dark night of reification. There must be some standards that allows us to differentiate between what is pathology, and simply "emancipatory" rationalization and functional differentiation. G: But such a dilemma doesn't arise, given that the "Hegelianes" (?) is a mistaken putting. E: Let me put it differently. How do we criticize the present without being consumed by that criticism? G: Communicative /reflective openness to "the Other", thematization, testable hypotheticals, fallibilism, evidentiary testing, discursive interpretion, peer review, and interminable openness to probable changes in the environment. E: How do we pluck the rose from the cross of the present, to use that Marxist expression, which Habermas echoes in his essay "From Kant and Hegel and Back Again" (European Journal of Philosophy, 153)? G: Appreciate that the rose will flower fine and leave the cross in its own time without being plucked--by being granted its own potential for bearing? {later Heidegger]. E: To do so, Habermas has wanted to see the process of rationalization of social systems and structures as a processes of learning. G: I agree. E: Social differentiation, sytem differentiation and especiallization, are mechanisms that incorporate the lessons learned from social conflicts and tensions. G: I agree, but believe that Habermas doesn't believe that social conflicts and tensions are fundamental. Rather, developmental processes are fundamental. After all, with *absence* of conflict and tension, desire to learn is most awakened! Desire to learn doesn't need conflict and tension to enact itself. Play, interest, appeal, mystery, fascination, etc., are the bases of learning. Problem-solving is supervenient on the deeper, innate appeal of learning in play. Inasmuch as conflict and tension *is* the motivation for learning, an emancipatory interest is in play, prevailing. But what motivates emancipation? An interest in self formation, which is reflected in isomorphisms between developmental and evolutionary processes in Habermas' work, 1973-1990 at least. E: Such processes of learning are guided by rational standards. G: So, I would disagree: Such processes of learning are guided by developmental interests, which may be theorized and evaluated according to rational standards of reconstructive inquiry. E: Systems theory and functionalism allowed Habermas to talk about social development as learning processes without having to take recourse to a Hegelian-marxist theory of history. G: I agree. E: But, buying into functionalism and systems theory means having to accept that the logic of system differentiation obeys laws, imperatives, and rules... G: I agree. E:... that purportedly are not open to human manipulation or tampering. G: Purportedly (?) by whom? Habermas? Certainly not: TCA-2 relativizes systems to lifeworld imperatives. E: One of the central ideas of systems theory, is the idea of autopoesis -hierachical, or functional differentiation are catalyzed by internal processe of having to cope with sytem complexity. G: And reflective learning processes catalyze cognitive development, in the way that ontogeny goes (which is an active research area in cognitive science. H: But if something, like systems differentiation, is driven by internal logics, in which the will, dreams and utopias of men, are superflous and without consequences, ... G: But are they? One should distinguish two kinds of themes: system differentiation as (1) a theme in the reconstructive of evolutionary processes, which is not systems-theoretical; and (2) as systems-theoretical formulation or description of lifeworld processes, which Habermas doesn't suggest as a way for understanding (1). E: ...then why would we be able at all to say that a certain system differentation is pathological or "healthy." G: Because we can differentiate (in principle) systems-theoretical reductionism from thematization of system differentiation *OF* the social-evolutionary lifeworld in reconstructive inquiry (which is hermeneutical, discursive, and reflective-critical, rather than functionalist). E: Now, this is the point I am getting at. Habermas has gotten closer and closer to systems theory in order to be able to preserve the notion of rationalization, and possibly reification, of social systems as learning processes. G: At this point, you can see that I, respectfully, don't find "the point" plausible. E: But once you give autonomy to such processes,... G: As you should *not* (as Habermas does not). E: ...what is to grant us the license to call this or that system differentiation pathological or emancipatory? G: An example which is considered importantly problematic would be useful. E: ....Kevin has talked about a bi-perspectival analysis, but .... A truly dual vision would have to account for the autonomy, self-referentiality of the systems world. G: A truly dual vision, it seems to me, would be *truly* dual more than truly *dual*; that is: working to relativize systems to lifeworld processes-- and relativize functionalist processes of systems in communicative systems of interaction. Accordingly, the *apparent* self-referentiality of the systems world is merely that: apparent--and where this self-referentiality *is* autonomous, it should be made (or remade) to serve social systems *validly* (which are only relatively autonomous, relative to social-evolutionary / historical, institutional, and ontogenic processes and activity). A *truly* dual vision relativizes system to lifeworld. To suppose, then, that... E: .... Habermas never really bought into these [autopoietic] theories but only used their language in order to point to something much more fundamental and normative: something like an emancipatory logic of history that works itself out through the rationalization of social structures (Hegel, but now lingustified). G: would be an implausible supposition, as the theory of social evolution cannot be comprehended as linguistified Hegel. E: As a way to respond to my formulation, let me quote from Habermas, from "From Kant to Hegel and Back Again..." G: And let me insert some bracketed commentary in Habermas' words: "A constitutional state which has become reflexive institutionalizes the constitution as project. Through the medium of law it internalizes the tension between the subjective consciousness of the citizens and the objective spirit of the institutions...." G: But Habermas would not suggest that the *social* "spirit" (lacking in Hegel), as elaborated in BFN, is an Hegelian synthesis of an Absolute, even though: H: ...It is this tension which Hegel sought to relieve by subordinating both to the absolute spirit. A democratic practice of self-determination [ which Hegel's was not, but which BFN is ] does not entirely dissolve this tension, but makes it the dirving force behind the dynamics of public communication structured by constitutional norms..." 153 G: Now this is an ascription about the activity of social *systems* which is not to absorb the lifeworld into system (as BFN clearly does not do either). H: "But Hegel's problem returns in a different form [ in contemporary efforts to fabricate "constitutional" statism? ], when we consider those societies where the immaculate wording of the constitution provdies no more than a symbolic facade for a highly selective legal order [as an Hegelian paradigm *would*--and all "Marxist" states *did*]. In such countries social reality controverts the validity of norms which cannot be implemented for lack of the material conditions, and the necessary political will. A similar tendency towards 'Brazilization' could even grip the established democracies of the West. For even here the normative substance of the consitutional order could be hollowed out. This will happen if __we do not__ [my emphasis] produce a new balance between globalized markets and a politics which can extend beyond the limits of the national state, and yet still retain democratic legitimacy." 153 G: So, going back to Hegel is not an option. E: It seems, if we read carefully these words, and similar ones in _Inclusion of the Other__, that there is an element of voluntarism that is anathema to systems theory. G: For Hegelian constitutionalism, yes. For Habermas, no. E: WE can, should, or ought to intervene, lest we let the forces of totalitarianism and anarchy take over. G: Ergo: BFN. E: I do think that the new _postnationale Konstellation_ has determined the way Habermas thinks, and rethinks, his theory of action, theory of law and democracy; and most importantly, how he rethinks the normative foundations of a theory of rationality that was too closely wedded to the Occidental self-affirmation and self-presentation as Modernity incarnate. G: I bet that a post-nationalist thinking has been a part of Habermas' work all along, which finds its ultimate political expression as BFN, which the essays in the book called _Postnationale Konstellation_ APPLY. In any event, thanks Eduardo for an immensely thought-provoking posting. ================================================= Kevin writes: K:... consider "distorted communication" from a systems-functional perspective. This angle of view diagnoses social pathologies brought about when linguistic forms of social integration are replaced by other media [...and..] the lifeworld ceases to function properly. The resulting problems are things like anomie or "losses of meaning" (TCA II,143). This is the familiar thesis of colonization. It is based on the normative weight of a notion of social dysfunction or damaged social integration. Mediatization is bad when the lifeworld cannot properly reproduce itself. This is also its problem, however. Such a normative standard is kind of a blunt instrument. G: I believe, though, Habermas does not suggest that the lifeworld healthily reproduces itself relative to the same norms that reconstructive inquiry uses to describe its reproduction. That is: The lifeworld reproduces itself in accord with or relative to its ownmost meaningfulness, which has a normative dimension. But one of those norms is not proper-reproduction or good social function or social integration (which are evaluative standards that inquiry applies to *aspects* of the holistically meaningful lifeworld--and conventional standards at that!--among other evaluative standards like developmental growth rate, effective developmental level, develomental regression). K: "Dysfunction" is difficult and clumsy to operationalize because it relies on macrolevel social phenomena... G: This is false. Dysfunctionality is always model-specific, but actual research is always domain-specific as well, involving any range of operationalization, according to the parameters of an evaluative model. Macrolevel phenomena may be assessed (e.g., in econometrics); but Habermas' colonization thesis is directly fallibilistic at the ethnographic level (and quite strongly corroborated by social science at this level), indirectly (statistically) at the macro level, I would argue. Good science is difficult to do, but it's not clumsy. K: ... which then must be operationalized and causally connected with some specific, institutional instances of systematically distorted communication. G: Consider a typical Health Maintenance Organization. Or a local school. Examples are readily available. K: If you look at distorted communication from a lifeworld perspective, however, things are much simpler and more exact. Here Habermas can delineate implicit norms of reciprocity within actually-existing practices of communication. He can hook them up with implicit norms of social interaction within actually-existing (democratic) societies, producing a normative conception of communicative/democratic political interaction. G: I agree, more or less. K: This provides a preliminary standpoint for criticizing and correcting public opinion and will formation: institutions must be properly structured to promote fair, balanced formation of public opinion. G: This is where my anti-Leninist antenna gets stimulated. They'll love you in today's Russia. K: This critique of the "form" of the institutions then makes possible an "autochthonous," on-the-ground, contextualized critique from the perspective of actual participants. G: Good. *This* I can see in the good classroom or truly journalistic article or public television talkshow. K: In other words, it describes a critique of colonization from a lifeworld perspective, in which citizens would themselves enunciate what they see wrong with the invasive tendencies of the government and/or economy. G: Yes! K: It seems to me (again, tentatively) that Habermas has realized how much more weight the lifeworld view can pull than the systems view. In BFN, he's really switched over to the second kind of theory, diagnosing distortions in the public use of reason rather than distortions in the communicatively reproduced fabric of society. G: I concur (though I'd question the "rather than"). K: Because he can do the former without reference to the thesis of colonization, and because it turns out that the former is more incisive and useful, colonization (I submit) has slipped into the background. G: Plausible. But critical social-scientific theorization of evolutionary (and devolutionary) processes---TCA--is a different project from discursive theorization of deliberative democracy: BFN. It's more appropriate, I think, to say that the social-scientific project of the early 1980s is no longer his central interest in the early 1990s. But the two projects are complementary. Both social science and political jurisprudence are necessary to a truly rational, good society. Just as only one validity claim is thematic in a managely contested speech act (while the others are effective in the shared scene), so too a metanormative discourse (BFN) is not itself a scientific discourse. I'm oversimplifying to make a kind of point about holistic complementarity in types of discourses. K: Note, though, that I have laid this out as a bi-perspectival analysis. That means that the systems perspective is not less valid; only less useful. G: Less useful for normative discourse, not less useful for discursive inquiry altogether. Well. This was fun. Gary __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Kick off your party with Yahoo! Invites. http://invites.yahoo.com/ --- from list habermas-AT-lists.village.virginia.edu ---
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