Date: Wed, 20 Dec 2000 09:39:51 -0800 (PST) From: Gary D <gedavis1-AT-yahoo.com> Subject: Re: HAB: Re: Habermas & Freud Ken, I'm going to respond to this later, for the most part, in another very long posting which was begun in early December, but remains unfinished. I enjoyed the "Third Rock" series of November, once I made time to read through all the postings carefully. And I began a reply to Matthew, which became a response to the interactions that went on. At this point--having responded thematically rather than chronologically (resulting in my drawing on exchanges across several postings on the same thematic areas), I've reached Matthew's claim early in his response to me, 11/20, that I imply that there is a "correct reading" of Habermas. So, I would prefer to respond to your engaging comments today after I've finished the other posting, which is becoming a short essay, I guess. Presently, I want to agree that, as you said today (polemically, I suppose): > K- Then there is no such thing as the Freudian "primordially repressed" ... the idea that something must be 'given up' in order for the subject to acquire language. Yes, I would agree that there is no such thing, in the sense that you indicate and, earlier in your posting, evidently presume. > In Lacan, ...In order for the subject to exist, it must eclipse being - it must surrender jouissance (enjoyment/trauma) in order to be a subject. My stance is that *subjectivism* eclipses being (and subjectivism is a common syndrome of "normal" life), but in healthy ontogeny, one does not eclipse being in order to exist as a subject. In particular, discovering the I-me difference in childhood is not, as such, a repressive event. Primordially, we are all open (except for those of us born into abuse). Until later, Gary __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Shopping - Thousands of Stores. Millions of Products. http://shopping.yahoo.com/ --- from list habermas-AT-lists.village.virginia.edu ---
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