Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2001 09:47:36 -0800 (PST) From: Gary D <gedavis1-AT-yahoo.com> Subject: Re: HAB: Balancing practicality & self formativity --- kenneth.mackendrick-AT-utoronto.ca wrote: K:.... without the thing-representation - there can be no communication - and, ever more to the point - the *image* serves as the (narcissistic) guarantee of any possible communication. Far from a self-centred aesthetic luxury, emancipation qua education is coherent *only* insofar as the the unconscious accomplishes *more than* the conscious thought. G: You're exhibiting the common confusion between (1) *nonconscious*: competences, background knowledge--the tacit dimension of cognition; and (2) *unconscious*: repressed experience, blocked content, willfully motivated unawareness. ...... K:.... isn't...the aim of psychoanalysis - and, in fact, ethical discourse in general - to bring the subject into a place where they can take (recognize) responsibility for the internalized "foreign territory"? GD: Sure, in part. K: For the idea of responsibility to make sense, the "foreign territory" must always already be self-posited. Certainly we 'inherit' a great deal of Otherness, but insofar as it is constitutive of the self, it is already "ours" - whether we recognize it or not - which, in terms of moral theory and individuation, must necessarily be understood as tradition constituted by us as tradition. GD: Sounds good! But a confusion between unconscious (the invisible alien) and nonconscious (the invisible constitution) confounds what is disownedly "mine", ownmost mine, and *my appropriation* of tradition (which is an individualization of common ground which others as recognize as *theirs* too). K: If we don't constitute it "as us" already, then it is possible to avoid responsibility for it: "that's not me, it is the alien Other - I'm not responsible for it." G: Distinguishing unconscious from nonconscious provides for distinguishing lack of skills to solve one's own problems from lack of access to the problem one needs solved--distinguishing (1) growth of competence to take responsibility and sustain responsibility; and (2) repair of capacity to grow. K: The thing is, life is a dream. The entire charge of aestheticism is somewhat misplaced. G: Wake up, Ken. :) K: The more appropriate emphasis should be placed on fantasy, or the imaginary. G: Whatever. This is an old theme in Analytical psychology (the Jungian vein of psychoanalysis), which James Hillman has expressed as a "re-Visioning" of psychology, for several decades. K: When translated into Habermas's tripartite model - it appears aesthetic... G: No, I think it appears as *individuation*. best regards, gary __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Photos - Share your holiday photos online! http://photos.yahoo.com/ --- from list habermas-AT-lists.village.virginia.edu ---
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