From: <kenneth.mackendrick-AT-utoronto.ca> Subject: Re: HAB: re: Thinking beyond the old Gadamer-Habermas debate Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2001 01:27:49 -0500 (Eastern Standard Time) On Tue, 20 Feb 2001 09:50:21 -0800 (PST) Gary D <gedavis1-AT-yahoo.com> wrote: > [K] .in most of the secondary literature on the Gadamer-Habermas debate, there is *no* mention of Freud at all (despite the fact that a substantial portion of Habermas's article on the universality of hermeneutics is devoted to his reading of psychoanalysis!). > [G] This would be because Freud is not basically the issue, circa 1970, in the employment of psychoanalysis as an exemplar of critical hermeneutical practice, which I argued last year here. And, again, Habermas moved on-quite constructively!-for an educatively-based practice, not therapeutic-based practice. Sure, I agree. But it is bizarre that psychoanalysis is construed so narrowly. Freud ardently maintained that psychoanalysis was, in fact, interminable. In effect, the 'best' insights of analysis are precisely those *not* strictly related only to the clinic. Civilization and Its Discontents is not therapeutic-based practice, it is social theory. Clinical work testifies only to the analytic experience - which, it seems to me - is rich in insight with regards to the function of speech, systems theory, and an entire range of social phenomena. > [K] The think is, . > [G] Slips can be nice sometimes. What makes you think this was a slip? ; ) > [K] a Lacanian intervention forecloses the direction Habermas moves > in, even if he elaborates it well, > [G] I'm not drawn to foreclosing directions that were elaborated well. Hegel elaborated the phenomenology of geist well too... > [K] so in this regard his earlier work is more fruitful to work with > [G] A strange sense of fruitfulness, it seems. Habermas's earlier work is more... Hegelian, and I think this is both easier to work with (for the moment) and, actually, more consistent with the aims of critical theory. Dieter Misgeld emphasizes this in his response to Mendelson. Habermas's later work is more Kantian, although a slightly expurgated Kant (for Kant, respect also engendered a kind of fear... Wellmer, Whitebook, and Bubner have emphasized the relation between terror and formalism... and, in a Lacanian vein, Salecl with regards to Rawls via fantasy. ken --- from list habermas-AT-lists.village.virginia.edu ---
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