File spoon-archives/habermas.archive/habermas_2001/habermas.0109, message 112


Date: Thu, 20 Sep 2001 18:18:11 -0500
From: "Jerry W. Shepperd" <shepperd-AT-austin.cc.tx.us>
Subject: Re: HAB: Re: Reasonable Response & Anti-Americanism


At 06:27 PM 9/20/01 -0400, Fwelfare wrote:
>Dear Raul,  you seem to believe that the American people should have been
>murdered on 9-11-01.  This is a blatant terrorist statement when you say that
>the politics of the US has a lot to do with this atrocious crime.  Can you
>rationally deny this??  I do not think you should be on this list as you are
>unable to competently communicate.  Above, you start by claiming that the US
>has authorized assassinations, again after being suspended, but this has not
>been authorized.  Then, you claim that the US gov't is restricting freedoms
>in the US but it has not. Then you claim that the interventions in Colombia,
>Cuba, and Iran are without substance when the reasons for the interventions
>are not described at all and we are expected to agree with you when you fail
>to provide any reasons. Then you claim the US is installing missiles in
>Argentina. Then you claim that US influence on the international economy is
>leading into a world war of vengeance.  Everything you are saying is
>Bullshit.  There is not one shred of evidence for anything you claim.  You
>deny the actual reasons for any US actions and claim that these actions are
>all leading to war without explaining why.  Please stop the bullshit.  I am
>beginning to believe that you are a fundamentalist that has infiltrated this
>list to attempt to brainwash us - I doubt anyone here is influenced by
>anything you say at all.  I will not respond to this bullshit thread again.

I have no desire to "bad-mouth" the US, but we must be as honest as we can 
with the information we have at the moment.  Even the US government does 
not deny the covert activities to which Raul Rodriguiz refers.The question 
is not has the US been involved in drug deals, in assasinations and 
assasination attempts, in support to dictators, and so on, but by what 
logic is such action justified?  Mr. Welfare wants to deny the existence of 
the information.  That is ignorance.  It exists and it is not hidden.   The 
debate should be focused on the nature of its meaning and its justification.

Jerry Shepperd




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