File spoon-archives/habermas.archive/habermas_2001/habermas.0109, message 51


From: Vunch-AT-aol.com
Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2001 14:56:24 EDT
Subject: Re: Re[2]: HAB: Re: September 11 and the demise of the Habermasian project



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In a message dated 9/18/01 11:02:09 AM Eastern Daylight Time, epavlov-AT-mail.ru 
writes:


> US supports of, for example, Contras or Pinochet? or Afghan anti-communist 
> groups that fought agains Soviet Union in 1979-89? How is this "new war" a 
> democratic one? What is this justice you are talking about?

Apparently, criminal action is not well understood.  We have concepts that 
designate what an action is, what an actor is, what an intention is, what an 
accomplice is, what a conspirator is, etc., etc. If a criminal act is 
committed, then someone is responsible.  When you try to claim that support 
of a foreign country's dictator is on the same level as terrorist action, 
then I think you need to prove your case with some evidence.  To merely claim 
that foreign aid, or even providing military training, is the same as 
terrorism is not a valid claim.  If you are trying to claim that CIA activity
is responsible for terrorist activity, then please spell out your claim. I am 
all ears.  But, if you are going to claim that the US should not pursue the 
perpetrators of this terrorist act, which implies that we should position 
ourselves as the Isrealis have done and expect more of the same, then you are 
obviously anti-american.  With such a bias, why should anyone listen to you?

Fwelfare

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In a message dated 9/18/01 11:02:09 AM Eastern Daylight Time, epavlov-AT-mail.ru writes:


US supports of, for example, Contras or Pinochet? or Afghan anti-communist groups that fought agains Soviet Union in 1979-89? How is this "new war" a democratic one? What is this justice you are talking about?


Apparently, criminal action is not well understood.  We have concepts that designate what an action is, what an actor is, what an intention is, what an accomplice is, what a conspirator is, etc., etc. If a criminal act is committed, then someone is responsible.  When you try to claim that support of a foreign country's dictator is on the same level as terrorist action, then I think you need to prove your case with some evidence.  To merely claim that foreign aid, or even providing military training, is the same as terrorism is not a valid claim.  If you are trying to claim that CIA activity
is responsible for terrorist activity, then please spell out your claim. I am all ears.  But, if you are going to claim that the US should not pursue the perpetrators of this terrorist act, which implies that we should position ourselves as the Isrealis have done and expect more of the same, then you are obviously anti-american.  With such a bias, why should anyone listen to you?

Fwelfare
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