From: "E.Pavlov" <epavlov-AT-mail.ru> Subject: Re[4]: HAB: Re: September 11 and the demise of the Habermasian project Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2001 20:56:46 +0000 (GMT) [Fwelfare] > When you try to claim that support > of a foreign country's dictator is on the same level as terrorist action, > then I think you need to prove your case with some evidence. To merely claim > that foreign aid, or even providing military training, is the same as > terrorism is not a valid claim. [Evgeni] Excuse my somewhat amateurish question - but how do you define terrorism? what is the difference between terrorism and any other criminal act? if innocent people die from a hand of a guerilla who was trained and paid by CIA, how is it different from a terrorist act? only in definition? > If you are trying to claim that CIA activity > is responsible for terrorist activity, then please spell out your claim. I am > all ears. [Evgeni] I think our discussion will go way out of this list's ranges if we start this conversation about who and where supported whom. CIA activity in Chile resulted in deaths of many innocent Chileans. If you think that the criminals are only those who actually perform the act of terror and those who pay, train and support are not guilty, then I see no point to discuss this issue. > But, if you are going to claim that the US should not pursue the > perpetrators of this terrorist act, which implies that we should position > ourselves as the Isrealis have done and expect more of the same, then you are > obviously anti-american. With such a bias, why should anyone listen to you? [Evgeni] Well, I can hear some of the f "either with us, or against us" rhetoric in your comment. I don't see any proves yet that the perpetrators are known, even though bin Laden is blamed, there are no proves for that... I am not suggesting that US should not punish those who are responsible for the act of terror in NY and DC. What I am suggesting is that US foreign policy after WWII doesn't seem to give it a moral right to claim that it is going to start a war against terrorism and all those whose activity results in death of innocent people. Am I anti-american? No. We all have our biases, I can redirect your question to you - you are obviously pro-american, with such a bias why should anyone listen to YOU? --- from list habermas-AT-lists.village.virginia.edu ---
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