From: "bob scheetz" <rscheetz-AT-cboss.com>
Subject: Re: HAB: samizdat
Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2001 00:15:44 -0400



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Subject: Re: HAB: samizdat


> In a message dated 10/21/2001 10:05:46 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
> rscheetz-AT-cboss.com writes:
>
> > what a vast gulf separates liberal idealism (rorty & habermas) from the
> >  reality of Power.
>
> Doesn't the same argument hold for the analysis of bin laden's terrorist
> organization.
> The issue must switch from a 'how to wage and win war' mentality to a
> justified war
> rational.  Now, who do you think is justified? bin laden or Bush?
>
> Fwelfare

Only consider the US geo-political exploitation of the immediate area: from
the overthrow of Mossadegh thru Pahlevi to the proxy war with Iran by Saddam
Hussein ...and causing the Soviets to have to protect their central asian
flank in Afghanistan ...and the US proxy-ing here with the CIA trained and
armed mujahadin... to the "Gulf War" massacre now against Saddam Hussein...
and extended embargo by Bush pere to keep Hussein in power and maintain Iraq
in a permanent moribund condition, ...and now to a war against the tool we
used to weaken the USSR in Afghanistan....
I put it to you, does history show, or is it even possible to conceive, a
more dizzyingly immoral, more diabolically cruel use of state power?
Would any rational person consider this state capable of acting justly in
this same area to redeem all this history?



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