From: "bob scheetz" <rscheetz-AT-cboss.com> Subject: Re: HAB: samizdat Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2001 23:37:26 -0400 Matt, I began, thinking he was marxian,...since disabused; but, as he does insist it's not scholasticism, an empty formalism, am constantly(and reasonably, no?) in expectation to learn how or where or when the titans, Reason (TCA-ethics) and Power engage;... and, finally, become concerned it's only a subsidiary function, as , the social science of ethics, or, a modern secular rule-of-st-benedict. The order to kill bin Laden being already of course against the law, it shows just how far, and in the constitutional state par excellence, they believe in the laws they themselves pass. So the casus is, as i see it, to what effect do we arrive at universal rules as, "in civilized states (as opposed to mafias) murder is forbidden as a practice of governance" ? ...how does Reason, discourse ethics, effect the moral amelioration of the community over the egocentric Power? ...Wm James concludes (no?) that except ethics is grounded in a religion (which would include marxism, no?) it hasn't the ontological stature to oppose an anti- to the thesis of selfishness? The spirit/ethos of Puritan New England along with its gradual decline and dissappearance into consumerist america lends great credence to James' contention; it was once a titan. Where is the force in Habermas' Ethic? ...must it always defer to the schroeder in the audience? bob ----- Original Message ----- From: matthew piscioneri <mpiscioneri-AT-hotmail.com> To: <habermas-AT-lists.village.virginia.edu> Sent: Tuesday, October 23, 2001 12:03 PM Subject: Re: HAB: samizdat > Dear Bob, > > >what a vast gulf separates liberal idealism (rorty & habermas) from the > >reality of Power. > > As far as I can tell, Habermas's work is VERY cognisant of the reality of > power; what critical social theory could not be? This isn't to say I > consider his proposed program to be entirely capable of overcoming the > realities of power, but - can I ask you - is there anything in Habermas's > work that you consider to be of any use in confronting, overcoming or even > ameliorating the worst excesses of this *power* you identify? > > Best Regards, > > MattP > > _________________________________________________________________ > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp > > > > --- from list habermas-AT-lists.village.virginia.edu --- --- from list habermas-AT-lists.village.virginia.edu ---
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