File spoon-archives/habermas.archive/habermas_2002/habermas.0203, message 53


Date: Fri, 8 Mar 2002 18:51:40 EST
Subject: Re: HAB: obiter dictum



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In a message dated 3/7/2002 9:36:33 AM Eastern Standard Time, 
ali_m_rizvi-AT-hotmail.com writes:


> What moralisation does is to veil  the phenomenon of power. And what 
> moralisation tries to do away with is struggle and resistence (call it 
> jihad if you like, which literally means struggle

What moralization does is to claim that our norms, the rules for social 
interaction, are partly determined within us, not between us as thru contract 
making.  The norms then have the effect of being social facts (Durkheim) 
which we MUST follow.  The machismo of the jihad followers is just such a 
mode, it completely lacks the logic of considering alternatives and more 
often than not leads to self-destruction.  Ineffective resistance is not 
seriously a form of resistance.  The inability to take up the challenge of 
communicative action and attempt to reach agreement through the following of 
the validity claims in discourse is hardly a form of resistance, something 
more like mental illness!

Vunch

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In a message dated 3/7/2002 9:36:33 AM Eastern Standard Time, ali_m_rizvi-AT-hotmail.com writes:


What moralisation does is to veil  the phenomenon of power. And what moralisation tries to do away with is struggle and resistence (call it jihad if you like, which literally means struggle


What moralization does is to claim that our norms, the rules for social interaction, are partly determined within us, not between us as thru contract making.  The norms then have the effect of being social facts (Durkheim) which we MUST follow.  The machismo of the jihad followers is just such a mode, it completely lacks the logic of considering alternatives and more often than not leads to self-destruction.  Ineffective resistance is not seriously a form of resistance.  The inability to take up the challenge of communicative action and attempt to reach agreement through the following of the validity claims in discourse is hardly a form of resistance, something more like mental illness!

Vunch
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