Subject: Re: HAB: Left in division (does Habermas have a solution?) Date: Sat, 09 Mar 2002 08:48:51 Dear Thomas You have articulated your concerns very well. I appreciate your opposition to capitalism and your concern for evolving a unified strategy against it. I also agree with you that we need both Marx and Jesus. Jesus because His life, His ethos is the denial of Capitalist ethos. Without this ethos we can not pose any real challange to capitalism. In my view the greatest failure of communism was that they lacked Jesus. They lacked the real and concrete vision of a non capitalist way of life. Therefore it could not pose any real challange to capitalism in the long run because the yearnings and longings of people were not changed, they remained the same as those in capitalist countries. And if those longings and yearnings are better catered to by capitalism people would have no reason not to return to it. A friend of mine who witnessed the fall of Berlin wall told me how people coming from the east were flocking onto bananas like dying person because presumably they did not have banana for those long years! If you can not overcome 'banana' forget about overcoming capitalism! But Jesus is not enough! We need Marx, because Marx draws our attention to the phenomenon of state and power in capitalism. The capitalist system, more than any known system in history (may be with the exception of Gupta India), has concentrated power to such a formidable extent that to defeat it a parallel concentration of counter power is needed, without that, one can not imagine to overcome capitalism and its ruthless hegemony through mere moralisation. In this sense I conceive myself as both leftist and rightist. I want to be left of Marx and right of Jesus! Having said that, I would like to problematise the conception of pluralism itself. I find it to be the heart of the logic of (especially) late capitalism. Capitalism consists of worst and most ruthless kind of singularity (i.e that singularity of accumulation for the sake of accumulation) but its logic needs this singularity to emerge out of ever growing diversity. Due to this dual demand of its logic capitalism actually requires management of everything, control of each moment of and each stratum of the life of society and individuals. Ever growing control, and oppression is not contingent to capitalism, it can not help it, it must control ruthlessly and oppressively if it is to survive. In this sense there is no human face of capitalism, no better or good capitalism. And pluralism is the heart of this dual logic of freedom, diversity on the one hand and control, oppression and strict imposition of singularity on the other. Singularity less pluralism is a myth. The neutrality of liberal state is a chimera because it is committed to the singularity of accumulation for the sake of accumulation. Therefore capitalism's relation with liberalism is necessary but on the other hand its relation with democracy is contingent. Only liberal sort of democracies (i.e diversity that is convergable to the singularity of capitalism) are allowed, and constitution makes this sure that no demos ever rule but only the Capital. Rallying people for pluralism is to play in the hand of capitalism and nothing else. We need to rally people around non capitalist singularity and we need to expose the blackmail of pluralism. Now I am not sure what role Habermas can play in this context. Over the years, I have sadly watched, his drift towards conservatism. Americans have been able to incorporate him in the way in which they were never able to incorporate Foucault. Hence he remains a dangerous philosopher while Habermas has increasingly become a ploy in the hand of capitalists. Although this does not affect in any way the worth of his work, from the level of activism it is a sad scenario. thats it for now. best regards ali "We do not lack communication, on the contrary we have too much of it. We lack creation. We lack resistence to the present. Deleuze and Guattari The final word on power is that resistence comes first. Deleuze ----Original Message Follows---- From: Thomas McDonald Reply-To: habermas-AT-lists.village.virginia.edu To: habermas-AT-lists.village.virginia.edu Subject: HAB: Left in division (does Habermas have a solution?) Date: Fri, 8 Mar 2002 09:14:46 -0800 (PST) In response to my post "Why has Islam failed to modernize?" I received two responses that I believe so accurately characterize *the division* that cripples the contemporary Left in *the struggle to organize a credible challenge to capitalism*. It also seems to me that the possibility of healing this division is what attracts people to Habermas's project.. I must admit that I purposely framed the question "Why has Islam failed to modernize?" specifically to lure these two types of responses because I believe this question draws out the heart of the division in the contemporary Left. I am personally divided about how to reconcile this kind of division, which is why I put the question out in the way that I did.. Forgive me for not taking time to quote specifically from each post. I just wanted to spit this out as quick as I could. I take full responsibility for these being *my interpretations*, made for sake of argument: Ali responded from what I would call a Postmodern Left stance. Ali expressed an outrage at perceived *insensitivity* on my part toward 'the other' by using words like 'failure' to describe Islam (regardless of the fact that my accusation was pointing to it's failure at pluralism). Then, to further justify defence of 'the other' (because all non-hegemonic 'others' tend to be automatically defended by the Postmodern Left, regardless of circumstances) Ali rationalized that Islamic fundamentalism was only being targeted by America because it is *a* form of resistance to capitalism. This rationalization assuages some on the Left, but not people like Bob.. Bob responded from what I would call a Modern Left (or neo-Marxist) stance. As much as Bob might dislike America, he understands Marx. Modernists (like Habermas, opposed to radical postmodernism) still believe in 'progress'. A society *must progress* past mythical, premodern psychologies to achieve liberation. Capitalism is a necessary stage that must be reached before it can be surpassed with Socialism (while the idea that 'others' 'must progress' is painfully offensive to the Postmodern Left). From this Modern Left perspective, one has to be against Islamic fundamentalism in this war, on the grounds of a Socialist Ideal that rejects *all* religious claims to absolute Truth. This division has the American and European Left in knots. Not only about this war.. but I think this problem represents a deeper problem that is stopping the Left from organizing a legitimate challenge to capitalism. Until these divided perspectives can reconcile their differences, capitalism rules. I'm looking for an answer to this problem as much as anyone else, since I have sympathies for both Jesus and Marx. I'm motivated by the transcendance of soul and body over capitalist oppression. This is basically why I'm interested in Habermas. He seems to be the only contemporary thinker pointing the way toward such a reconciliation within the Left. "Something was lost when sin became guilt." -Jurgen Habermas Regards, Tom ====Tom McDonald CONTACT INFO: WEBSITE: http://www.ThomasMcDonald.com EMAIL: mcdonald928-AT-yahoo.com INSTANT MESSENGER: "omhats" on AOL & MSN, "mcdonald928" on Yahoo _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com --- from list habermas-AT-lists.village.virginia.edu ---
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