Subject: HAB: Habermas - The Dialectician? (Matt, #59) Date: Mon, 11 Mar 2002 00:42:03 Gary, You say: >There is >nothing basically "dialectical" about Habermas's work. In _Autonomy and Solidarity_ (ed. Dews,1992: 105), Habermas says in response to the question "How do you tie together the different lines of thought you've been developing for the last ten years in the project of communicative action?": "Finally I went back to Max Weber to treat a substantial theme. For I did not just want to show how the theory of communicative action can be useful for social theory. I also had a third motif, namely, the *dialectic of social rationalization*. That was already the main theme of the *dialectic of enlightenment*. I wanted to show that one can develop a theory of modernity using communications-theoretical concepts which possess the analytic precision neede for socio-pathological phenomena, for what the Marxist tradition calls reification".[Habermas's emphases] Now the import of this quote for our present discussion is covered by your statement that: >Your reading of my response to Steve occludes the >difference between [a] the importance of dialectical / >crisis dynamics in JH's reading of *modernity* (which I'm >not disputing)... Put simply, of course Habermas is concerned with dialectical themes as the dialectical analyses of Horkheimer and Adorno constitute a large part of the object domain of his inquiry in the _TCA_. This doesn't make Habermas's own mode of inquiry dialectical, nor does it substantiate the claim that Habermas identifies the logic of the learning processes which he argues have driven the social evolution of Modern Occidental societies is a dialectical logic: >[b] the *conceptual basics* of JH's >understanding (metatheoretically or philosophically) of >social evolution, reconstructive inquiry, theory of >communicative action, etc , which is not "dialectical" in >any sense (which was the kind of point I was making to >Steve). I am not sure how one would go about convincing you of the validity of the claim that there is a dialectical core to Habermas's mode of inquiry as well as to the content of his analysis of the developmental dynamics of Modernity's social evolution.What I hope to achieve in this posting is to dissolve your objection to the claim that the logic of societal learning processes is dialectical on the basis that dialectical logic is conflictual whilst the developmental logic guiding the transition to higher order learning stages is not: >Dialectic is a >conflict-based dynamic, applicable for rough description of >processes of distortion, but inappropriate for description >of lifeworld phenomenology. "Knowledge-constitutive interests mediate the natural history of the human species with the logic of its self formative process...Knowledge-constitutive interests can be defined exclusively as a function of the objectively constituted problems of the preservation of life that have been solved by the cultural form of existence as such." (_KHI_,1972: 196) "I propose to explain the evolutionary changes of social systems with simultaneous reference to developmental logics (structures of consciousness) and historical processes (events)...The emergence of a new historical event can be explained by reference to contingent peripheral conditions and to the *challenge posed by structurally open possibilities*." (_History and Evolution_ printed in _Telos_,1979: 30-31) "The theory of communicative action can explain why this is so: the development of society must *itself* give rise to the problem situations that *objectively* afford contemporaries a privileged access to the general structures of the lifeworld...It may be that this provocative threat, this challenge that places the symbolic structures of the lifeworld as a whole in question, can account for why they have become accessible to us.' (_TCA2_,1995: 403) Habermas's theory of social evolution is a theory of crisis *par excellence*. It is a theory of crisis permeated by the language of conflict and resolution; that is by the language of a dialectical logic. This is the same language of the original quote I provided from _KHI_ which exposed the similarities in the logics guiding the development of the knowledge-constitutive interests embodied in technological rationality/practical rationality and elsewhere emancipatory rationality. _______________________________________________________________ >-- What do you mean by 'dialectic' such that the same word >applies in both phrases "negative dialectic" and "positive >dialectic"? You *use* dialectic in a way that is apparently >synonymous with 'dynamic' or 'process'. What do you believe >is especially "dialectical" about pragmatic-fallibilistic >inquiry? My use of the phrase *positive dialectics* is precisely connected to Habermas's engagement in the discourse over Horkheimer's and Adorno's thesis on the dialectic of enlightenment. I am after two shades of meaning here using *negative* in the perjorative sense to reference H. & A's pathos of despair; and then the *negative* in Adorno's _Negative Dialectics_ to refer to his critical strategy. Describing Habermas's critical communication theoretic as "positive dialectics" relates to both these *negatives*. First as an alternative paradigm of open ended futurity (positivity) to the despairing finitude of the closure apparent in H. & A's dialectical analyses, and, second, the (dare I say) optimistic or at least forward looking synthesizing strategies of Habermas's critical hermeneutical stance in opposition to the relentless *negative* critique Adorno prescribed for critical philosophy in _Negative Dialectics_. In other words, Gary, *negative* and *positive* are pertinent to the discursive language game Habermas (and students of Habermas) are engaged with. _________________________________________________________________ > >Your direct question can be answered easily (in a >Habermasian vein). You ask: "...where - in your >non-dialectical rendering of Habermas's theory of social >evolution - does the *life* in the Lifeworld come from?" > >It comes from JH's own sense of lifeworld TEMPORALITY, >which is primarily futural and cannot be comprehended >dialectically, i.e., conflictually. Lifeworld temporality is based >in the PLAY of modalities of lived time: anticipation, >remembrabce, and perception (or experiential presentness), >which interplay, like the "membranes" (JH's word) between >world-relations: subjective, intersubjective, and >objectivating--or like, as Gadamer put it (in _T&M_), a >"play of light on water"). Until such time as.....you guessed it.... conflict arises in the form of new problems to be solved according to the dialectical logic embedded in the learning processes of social evolution. What your eloquent description above pertains to is the ideal condition of the lifeworld akin to a condition of homeostasis. Why do I suggest you render the lifeworld statically? Because your rendition of the lifeworld above concentrates on ideal conditions and overlooks systematic distortions and conflictual threats to the symbolic reproduction of the lifeworld. ______________________________________________________________________ >M> Gary, could you elaborate please on this dynamic of >*serving*? I cannot quite grasp what the nature of the >operation is. > >The emancipatory interest is derivative; it only exists >relative to processes of distortion or oppression. A >successful emancipatory (therapeutic) process *restores* an >identity or individual to its own life, be it a >self-formative interest in realizing potentials, a >practical interest in consolidating interactions and >cooperating constructively, or a purposive-rational >interest in actualizing plans or reaching goals (all of >which commingle in the dailiness of a life). Critical >processes, always relative to a structure of conflict, >distortion, oppression, etc., can come to closure (relative >to their specific urgency) in a successful restoraation of >a life to its fundamental interest in self-formation, >practices, and efficacy, which is expressed through >education processes, organizations of daily life, projects >or programs we carry out, etc. Critique serves the durable, >lifespan-relevant interests of self-formation, practicality >and efficacy. It is the lifeworld dynamic of >self-formativity, practicality, and efficacy that is basic >to that lifeworld--a dynamic, an interplay of interests, >potentials, knowledge. Habermas' understanding of this is >in the terms of the "lifeworld" of our form of life, the >dynamic of individuation, the formal pragmatics of >cognition, etc. His understanding of critique derives from >this lifeworld-individuation-pragmatic; and serves this >rich dynamic, in terms of metatheory and in his >exemplifiations of interpretive practice. Is this the same as saying that the emancipatory interest of critique properly serves social integration mindful of Habermas's dismissal of the holistic aspirations of emancipatory movements in _BFN_? Regards, MattP _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com --- from list habermas-AT-lists.village.virginia.edu ---
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