Date: Sun, 25 May 2003 13:55:32 -0700 (PDT) Subject: HAB: Thinking generally about Habermas' project re: Matt, Re: Frankfurt, Starnberg, Munich [Y! Habermas. I'm posting this also to the Spoons List, so I'm including our earlier exchange, messy as it is. But I know that some Spoons list subscribers are also Yahoo! list subscribers, so apologies for cross posting. I don't want to make a habit of this.] ------------------------------ > --- In habermas-AT-yahoogroups.com, Gary E Davis <gedavis1-AT-y...> wrote: > > Re2: Habermas vs. those French guys > > > > Matt> Quick historical ask: after Starnberg, did JH return > > to the Frankfurt Institute in some sort of > > honorary/emeritic capacity? > > > > G: My recolllection may be incorrect, but I believe that he > > was back at the Goethe University for some years before he > > became emeritus. > > > > G M> still not sure of JH's career timeframe, but thanks for your help. His essay "On Systematically Distorted Communication" in Inquiry (1970)was written when JH was at the J.W Goethe University in Frankfurt so this is just prior to the Max Planck Institute move. G: Thanks for jogging my memory here. He was back at Frankfurt when he wrote _TCA_. M> Interestingly Wiggerhaus writes that "When he returned to Frankfurt ten years later to become Professor of Philosophy, he regarded this project as having failed." (1994: 658) > Meaning the development of "a programme of an interdisciplinary social theory" (ibid). G: What JH told me, 1980, was not that his project had failed, but that he had failed to *communicate* his project to mainstream social theorists adequately; he deeply believed that he had been speaking to social theorists generally, in the 1970s, but he was considered by the mainstream to be a neo-Marxist addressing an especially Marxist-Hegelian audience. He hoped for influence in mainstream social theory outside of the Frankfurt School tradition. You see in _TCA_ that Habermas is bridging traditions---engaging both with FS sources and mainstream human science (esp. AngloAmerican)---while also continuing to advance his thinking on its own terms. There was clearly an evolution in his thought during the 1970s (_Legitimation Crisis_ is a major innovation), and this evolution continues, large-scale, in _TCA_ (then onward in the 1980s). _TCA_ is entirely concordant with _CES_ and _LC_, but thinks beyond those statements, relative to his discursive engagement with specific others (Anglish anthropology, Weber, Adorno, Parsons, etc). _TCA_ is a set of readings---a reconstructive-critical hermeneutic---that advance his philosophical-reconstructive theory of communicative action *interactively*. M> I am having all sorts of difficulties "placing" Habermas's reconstructive project within Critical Theory-within-western Marxism. I'm not surprised, but it's a good sort of difficulty---potentially very useful for other theorists. But JH is not basically working "within" that tradition, rather working WITH it. *Relativizing* JH's project to that tradition is an important and useful endeavor, but basing his project in that tradition is a mistake. The Gadamer-Habermas debate indicates JH's early engagement with Critical Theory in tension with tradition---as an intention whose intension is WITH tradition, standing "in" its own discursive telos, so to speak, which became his theory of communicative action (already identified as such by Thomas McCarthy in the mid-70s, as he emphasized the notion of communicative competence in JH's thought while U.S. readers where still struggling with JH's critique of instrumental reason in _Toward a Rational Society_ and critique of Hegelian Marxism in _KHI_. M> In your opinion, does JH conflate the C.T of the Frankfurt school with Western Marxism or historical materialism? G: I'm not clear what you're asking. In _CES_, he performs a "reconstruction of historical materialism" that IS his stand (in part---along with _LC_) toward Western Marxism; the aim toward a theory of social evolution in the 1970s is post-Marxist. And this reconstructive endeavor has left historical materialism altogether in _TCA_, only to return to Marx critically in the end, to assess what remnant remains fruitful for contemporary social theory. After _TCA_ reconstructive endeavor is a matter of developmental psychology, discourse ethics, modernity, etc. M> he appears to move between the two as if they are one. G: He "appears...as if," but the movement itself isn't articulable in terms of either. Already in the "Introduction" to _TCA_, he is standing outside of the Marxian tradition. The promise for historical materialism that was still alive in LC and CES is gone in TCA and work afterward. His discursive bridge between system and lifeworld is complexly his own. Already in CES, the 3-fold isomorphism of language and world, ego-to-ego and group-to-group is unrecognizably Marxist or Hegelian or even Kantian, and this flowers into a 3-fold isomorphism of person, culture and society that is truly a specifically Habermasian hybrid of influences. M> yet, the aporia of H. & A's critique of instrumental reason surely only had a substantive impact on the tradition of F.S Critical Theory. Other proponents of western Marxism didn't appear to be overwhelmed by the dialectic of enlightenment thesis. G: So, what you mean is that only the critique of instrumental reason had a substantive impact. I think that's fair. In the U.S., the importation of specifically FS work happened at the same time as much other "Continental" work was coming into translation, and there was already a tradition of social critique in the U.S. So, FS work became available along with new phenomenological work, such as Husserl's _Crisis_, Heidegger's work after _B&T_ (which spawned a school of Heideggerian critique of technology), Lukacs, and Merleau-Ponty, Gramsci, Enzo Paci, and others (The Northwestern UP series on "Phenomenology and Existential Philosophy" was well-established before H&A's _DoE_ was available in English; the great journal _Telos_ was a very hybrid creature, as much phenomenologically-inspired as Marxist-Hegelian). There wasn't a sense of the FS offering something unprecedented for the 1960s and '70s, though the FS work was very useful among other work, as complement in a broad discourse of New Leftist theorization. M> Final ask: where does JH define his understanding of reconstructive science? It is partly there in the revised intro to _Theory & Practice_; applied but not defined in _CES_. Any pointers please? G: It was defined in CES *as a practice* of reconstructive (paraphrasing now) taking apart of a theory and rebuilding it to better actualize its original intentions. The entirety of TCA is a deepening and broadening of this critical hermeneutical practice. But the keystone of his *theorization* of this practice is _Moral Consciousness & Communicative Action_ where philosophy itself (posed as such) is reconceptualized as facilitator of new directions in interdisciplinary reconstructive inquiry. Reconstructive science as such is then theorized relative to moral-cognitive development, which is then re-focused beyond his work on this in CES. --- from list habermas-AT-lists.village.virginia.edu ---
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