From: "Mark A. Wise" <mistakant-AT-kvnet.org>
Date: Wed, 5 Feb 1997 20:13:27 +0000
Subject: Robert Reports on BEING


Robert said last:

> Remember, this is not theoretical, or even experiential; you are present to
> "being present" ...how it works for me 'on the court' is to have 'no
> thoughts' as in 'mind chatter.' ...and never being 'at effect.'  ...but 'at
> cause.'  ...of course, at my level of efficacy, this happens a 'large
> percentage of the time' but not always. ...also there are two types of
> feelings (remember this isn't theoretical but empirical [loosely speaking]);
> feelings that are part of the package when one is generative (feelings you
> 'have'). ...and feelings that are from 'patterned' BEING ('at effect' of
> 'psychological' artifacts) (feelings that 'have you,' as it were). 

(I'm PROUD of you Robert, you finally articulated something more than 
criticism...thank you!)

So is there some --out-there-ness-- that one must seek to "line up 
with."  I'm pretty sure that's NOT what your saying--it sounds overly 
Platonic.

Is it more along the lines of the Greek Skeptic--realizing there is 
no "knowledge" thereby "suspending the judgements" and "living by the 
appearances?

...I'm trying to better understand what your saying here...stabbing 
in the dark hoping I hit something...

I would definitely say you are arguing that "BEING" can never be a 
2nd order discipline--is this right?


> shift in the 'ground of being' in effect 'side steps' your psychology.
> ....it is there, but it isn't the 'ground' from which one be's!

is the "shift" toward "patterned being," or does "patterned being" 
create the shift?  ...perhaps you could elucidate a bit more on what 
you mean by "patterned being."  I realize words are at a loss here, 
just as they were for H in his day...

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