File spoon-archives/heidegger.archive/heidegger_1998/heidegger.9803, message 29


Date: Wed, 04 Mar 1998 14:20:42 +0000
From: Allen Scult <allen.scult-AT-drake.edu>
Subject: Re: Archetypes


         Reply to:   Re: Archetypes

Henk van Tuijl wrote:
>henry sholar wrote:
>> a reconcilliation of poetic archetype
>
Henk:
However, Heidegger warns us in _Andenken_
>that symbols and metaphers don't explain anything:
>
>"Auch die "Dinge selbst" sind schon, bevor sie zu
>sogenannten "Symbolen" werden, jedesmal gedichtet. >(40)" >    >Roughly:
>Also the "things themselves" are always already, >before they become so called "symbols", given a
>poetic form. >
>This might point in the direction of poetic >"archetypes". And the question is what this is. >How we should think this poetic form of things?

I think you capture the phenomenological sense of the poetic nicely here:  The poetic is a form that points in the direction of an archtype, but is not itself an archtype.  I think it is also "phenomenologically correct" to say that the poetic form is  the linguistic dimension of the thing itself, through which the thing itself may be disclosed.   But then as Heidegger says later in his meditation on Georg's poem:   "Beyond the word no thing may be."

This leads me to question what Heidegger-Henk say about the symbol:

"Auch die "Dinge selbst" sind schon, bevor sie zu
>sogenannten "Symbolen" werden, jedesmal gedichtet. >(40)" >    >Roughly:
>Also the "things themselves" are always already, >before they become so called "symbols", given a
>poetic form. 
always already what?   It seems that part of the nature of the things themslevs is how they make themsleves accessable to symbols, and so certain symbols are able to "attune" us to the things themselves-- because the symbols are themselves attuned, because their "daseining" accords with the the design (dasein) of language in its relation to the things themselves.  As said Michael, sorry about the awkwardness of the formulation.

Thanks,

Allen





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