Date: Thu, 28 May 1998 17:45:22 -0700
From: RTG <guevara-AT-rain.org>
Subject: leap of faith


Dr. Eldred writes:
>>	[...]
>>     Now,
>>	If we wanted to leap from 
>>	The ground of everything,
>>	Where on Earth would we be?


i said earlier:
>we would be where we are.
>
>the leap comes as we complete our metaphysical questioning.  if only for a
>moment.  as we come to an end -- perhaps informed by our personal history
>but not given by it.
>[...]


i don't have the actual post here on this machine but someone stated that
this sounded like a leap of faith. (was it steve c?  and did he mention
Kierkegaard?  pls say more about this steve.) 


rafael writes:
[...]
>All this remains terribly speculative if we
>do not conceive it in the sense of a _formale Anzeige_ i.e. as a start for
>living without fundament, open (among others) to _some-thing_ we have being
>calling (in both sense of the word) got.


in _What Calls for Thinking?_ H says:
------------------------------------------------
"[...] we are attempting to learn thinking.  The way is long.  We dare take
only a few steps.  If all goes well, they will take us to the foothills of
thought.  But they will take us to places which we must explore to reach
the point where only the leap will help further.  The leap alone takes us
into the neighborhood where thinking resides. [...]"

"[...] the leap takes us abruptly to where everything is different [...]"

"[...] To keep clear of prejudice, we must be ready and willing to listen.
Such readiness allows us to surmount the boundaries in which all customary
views are confined, and to reach a more open terrain. [...]

"[...] If he is to become a true cabinetmaker, he makes himself answer and
respond above all to the different kinds of wood and to the shapes
slumbering within wood--to wood as it enters into the man's dwelling with
all the hidden riches of its nature.  In fact, this relatedness to wood is
what maintains the whole craft.  Without that relatedness, the craft will
never be anything but empty busywork. [...]"

"[...] We are trying to learn thinking.  Perhaps thinking, too, is just
something like building a cabinet. [...]"

"[...] only when man speaks, does he think--not the other way around, as
metaphysics still believes.  Every motion of the hand in every one of its
works carries itself through the element of thinking, every bearing of the
hand bears itself in that element. [...]"
------------------------------------------------

the thread on Being and God is mostly filled with speculation about
"equating" Being and God.  .. or substituting God for Being .. or not
equating Being and God .. or some sequenced formula ..

... all calculative thinking it seems to me.

perhaps Being expressed in being is "known" only as the cabinet maker
"knows" wood or _is_ *related* to wood.

it seems to me that praxis is the only kind of question that IS the
question of the meaning of Being.


Robert T. Guevara   | guevara-AT-rain.org
Electrical Engineer | guevarb-AT-mugu.navy.mil
Camarillo CA, USA   | http://www.rain.org/~guevara


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