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From: Stuart R Elden <Stuart.Elden-AT-brunel.ac.uk>
Subject: Re: WhatAboutDreyfus?
Date: Thu, 11 Jun 1998 15:53:33 +0100 (BST)


Sorry - what you say is correct but it is what I intended to say.

To clarify:-

AI might enable us to get computers to think how they (ie AI 
proponents) think we think (ie rule based calculation), but not how H/D 
argues we think (ie the activity of Dasein).

Perhaps I was trying to be too clever in using four 'thinks' in one 
sentence - with implied different meanings. Your reading of me would only 
be correct if how AI thinks we think is the way Dasein thinks. It clearly 
isn't.

Sorry for the confusion - hopefully this clears it up

Stuart

On Thu, 11 Jun 1998 06:54:21 -0700 Mike Staples <mstaples-AT-argusqa.com> 
wrote:

> Stuart R Elden wrote:
> 
> > I take Dreyfus
> > to be suggesting that AI might enable us to get computers to think how
> > they
> > think we think, but not how H/D argues we think.
> 
> Stuart, I'm not sure what you said here. I may be misreading you. Sounds
> like you are saying that Dreyfus is suggesting that AI miht enable us to
> get computers to "think" at all..."think" meaning think the way Dasein
> thinks. If this is the case, then you are indeed wrong on this point.
> Dreyfus has built his entire career around the proposition that
> computers don't think, and may never think. Of course saying this
> entails a lot of discussion about what thinking is, but Dreyfus defines
> what computers currently do (rule-based calculation) as something
> entirely different than what people do, thinking-wise. Perhaps that is
> what you said anyway, and I just missed your point here.
> 
> Michael Staples
> 
> 
> 
> 
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Stuart R Elden
Brunel University, UK
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