From: "Prof. Dr. Rafael Capurro" <capurro-AT-hbi-stuttgart.de>
Subject: Re: truth
Date: Wed, 5 Aug 1998 11:12:03 +0200


Dear Anthony,

thanks for the Marion citation concerning "un ego non cogitatif et non
substantiel" (Marion, Sur le prisme... p. 215) So, there is no possible
explanation for the union between corps and ame (inaccessible a
l'entendement seul meme aide de l'imagination (!), instead:
qu'il faille recourir aux 'sens' et aux 'conversations ordinaires' pour la
comprendre! Can you imagine what this means? conversations ordinaires?! and
'sens'?!...Marion asks: am I, as ego, persistant dans la preesence ou bien
en tant que, comme libre possible, je duis destine a mourir? Descartes cum
Heidegger!; the substantiatization of the ego cogito is just apparent, I am
moribundus (Heidegger: Prolegomena zur Geschichte des Zeitbegriffs, GA 20,
p. 427ss; Derrida: je suis veut dond dire originairement je suis mortel; La
voix et le phenomene, p.60): this does not just mean that I will die but
that my ego-being is of the kind of dying, its being is being-dying.
The text AT, XI, 352 says: l'ame exerce (!) immediatement (!) ses fonctions
(on: la plus interieure de ses parties (du cerveaux, RC).
what does it mean 'exerce', I mean, talking just like in a conversation
ordinaire?!
he continues: this fort petite glande, is hanging nd there are: les esprits,
which ont communication avec ceux de la posterieure
so, the union implies some kind of communication (Gassendi!...)
kind regards
rafael


-----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
Von: Henk van Tuijl <Henk.van.Tuijl-AT-net.HCC.nl>
An: heidegger-AT-lists.village.virginia.edu
<heidegger-AT-lists.village.virginia.edu>
Datum: Dienstag, 4. August 1998 23:35
Betreff: Re: truth


Prof. Dr. Rafael Capurro wrote:
>
> Dear Anthony,
>
> I am interested in your realistic (?) interpretation of Descartes but I
> agree with Michael that the locus of truth is the _mens_. What I do not
> quite understand is Descartes' view of the connection (?) between _esprit_
> and _cerveau_. There is the passage (AT, IX, p.124):
> "mais seulement en tant qu'elles informent l'esprit mesme, qui s'applique
à
> cette partie du cerveau"
> What does it mean: _s'applique_?
> As far as I understood, Descartes refutes Gassendi, who tries to conceive
> this relation in a, as we would say, more cybernetic manner
> cf. for instance AT VII, p. 292:
> "cum aliunde vero, ad notitiam alicujus rei eliciendam,necesse sit rem
agere
> in facultatem cognoscentem, immitere neme in illam sui speciem, sive sui
> specie illam informare... seipsam transmittere"
> Well, _immittere_, _informare_, _transmittere_ are almost a
trans-formation
> of scholastic terms (hylemorphic ones) into modern i.e. epistemological
(and
> cybernetic) terms. This transformation (including the one of the
scholastic
> term _informatio_!) is denied by Descartes, for whom all forms all already
> in the mind (cf. for instance, AT III, Correspondance, p. 404: "sequatur
> omnia corpora, atque adeo totum hunc mundum visibilem, ab humana mente
> produci posse") (just as a modern constructivist would say...)
> So, Descartes is denying the _forming_ (informatio) of the intellectus
> through the senses (information sensus et intellectus) as Scholastic
> postulated, but he is (or this is my question to you) postulating another
> (epistemological?) kind of _relation_ between the mind and the cerebrum.
> kind regards
> rafael

Rafael,

Marion points in a certain direction, showing - like you seem to do -
that Anthony may have a point; although one he might not want to make:

Ainsi l'union de l'âme et du corps partage avec le libre arbitre, outre
le rang de notion primitive (ou première), le recours obligé, pour en
prendre la moindre connaissance, non à la cogitatio, mais à une
expérience plus confuse, qui ne livre pas d'objet au regard d'une
évidence présente. A ce repli de la cogitatio, tant comme mode que comme
objet de connaissance, répond la disparition de la substance, pour
définir l'ego: dans les Passions de l'âme, ce terme se réduit à un
hapax, qui ne désigne que le cerveau [...], jamais la mens ni l'ego.
(Marion, 1986:215, n 85; cf. AT, XI, 352)

Kindest regards,
Henk



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