From: "Prof. Dr. Rafael Capurro" <capurro-AT-hbi-stuttgart.de>
Subject: Re: Die Kehre
Date: Thu, 17 Sep 1998 10:16:39 +0200


Stuart,

if you are thinking about Gestell/dispositif please do not forget the
question of _language as information_
I call the different forms of _manipulating_ (_stellen_) language:
Informations-Gestell (see my: Leben im Informationszeitalter, Berlin 1995).
Heidegger confronts the poetical experience of language (i.e. the experience
of: let ourselves tell (something) from language) with the view of language
as information (you can find some of the main texts on this on a paper I
published in Philos. Jahrbuch 1981, 88, 2, pp. 333-344): Heidegger ueber
Sprache und Information. Yesterday I was reading the correspondence between
Hannah Arendt and Martin H. It is highly interesting in many regards (for
instance concerning Martin's ontical (!) love views...). On page 121 he
writes:
"_Das Gestell_ ist schon eine raetselhafte Sache; je weniger wir das
Geheimnis zu umgehen versuchen, um so eher wird es gluecken, einmal seinem
Wesen zu entsprechen. Vorerst sieht es so aus, als muesste erst seine
zerstoererische Seite zu einem vollendeten Austrag kommen. Mit der >Sprache<
musst Du noch Geduld haben. Ein Vortrag bringt zwar  meist den Vorteil, dass
er zur Sache hinfuehrt, aber er muss auch darauf verzichten, die Sache aus
ihrer Mitte sprechen zu lassen."
roughly:
"_Das Gestell_ is a kind of puzzle (or: riddle, mystery, enigma); the less
we try to by-pass it, the more it can become a success that we can
correspond to its essence. For the moment it looks so as if its destructive
side must arrive to a complete resolution.
With regard to _language_ you must be a little bit patient. A lecture has
often the advantage that it leads to the matter but it must renounce to let
the matter speak by itself from its own _center_"
(Michael can surely make a better work on this _translation_)

The second sentence (on _language_) refers to a talk between Martin and
Hannah on language. The letter is dated: Freiburg i.Br. 18. December 1950)
(cf. the letter from 16. Mai 50: "wir sprache auf einem Gang ins Waldtal von
der Sprache" (in this passage H. uses the word "von" (instead of _ueber_)
which corresponds to the distinction he makes  (in the conversation with the
Japanese) between a _talking von_ and _talking ueber_ (the second one is a
_objectivizing_ form) (See Wittgenstein: Wovon man nicht sprechen kann,
darueber muss man schweigen) But Wittgenstein does not reflect on this,
although he uses (!) the distinction.
So my question is: what about the _destructive_ side of the
Information-Gestell and what about its _liberating_ form. Is the passage
from a _conventional_ form of programming (using language to manipulate this
or that) to the medium Internet a kind of Kehre in our relation to the
Information-Gestell?

So far _von_ Martin (and Hannah)
Rafael






-----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
Von: Stuart Elden <Stuart.Elden-AT-clara.co.uk>
An: heidegger-AT-lists.village.virginia.edu
<heidegger-AT-lists.village.virginia.edu>
Datum: Donnerstag, 17. September 1998 09:12
Betreff: Re: Die Kehre


Michael, Henk, Laurence,

Thanks for your info on this. I knew where Die Frage nach der Technik was to
be published, it was Die Kehre I didn't know. But thanks Michael, for the
information on Das Gestell. I had a quick look at the version in GA79, and
the points you raised seem important. As one of the arguments in my thesis
is the links between Heidegger's Gestell and Foucault's dispositif, I will
spend some time on this. I will also have a look at the article you wrote.

Best wishes

Stuart

-----Original Message-----
From: Michael Eldred <artefact-AT-t-online.de>
To: heidegger-AT-lists.village.virginia.edu
<heidegger-AT-lists.village.virginia.edu>
Date: Wednesday, September 16, 1998 20:54
Subject: Re: Die Kehre


Cologne, 16 September 1998

Stuart Elden schrieb:
> I was rereading Heidegger's piece The Turning/Die Kehre, and wanted to
check
> back to the original on a few points. I quickly realised I wasn't sure
where
> to find
> this. I know it was initially published as Die Technik und die Kehre
(1962),
> and that it was originally one of the "Einblick in das, was ist" lectures,
> but I don't know a library that has Die Technik und die Kehre. The
original
> Einblick lectures are published in GA79, which is what I eventually used,
> but I know that Das Gestell was much revised before publication as Die
Frage
> nach dem Technik (The Question Concerning Technology). On the points I was
> interested in there didn't seem to be much change (at least nothing that
> couldn't be put down to Lovitt's slightly odd way of translating), but
does
> anyone know 1)
> if there are changes, 2) where the published lecture will appear in the
> Gesamtausgabe?

Dear Stuart,
"Die Frage nach der Technik"  is published in "Vortraeg und Aufsaetze"
(included
in the Gesamtausgabe as GA7).

I don’t have GA79, but I do have a photocopy of Fritz Heidegger’s typescript
of
“Das Ge-Stell”. I haven’t read it lately, but even a cursory glance shows
that
thinking here takes a path very different from that in “Die Frage nach dem
Technik”. Since Heidegger can rely on a continuity in the lecture series, he
plunges much more immediately in medias res, via the question of “Naehe” and
“Abstand” (continuing a thread from “Das Ding”, which was the first lecture
in
the series).

The path does not go via the “four causes”, _poiaesis_, etc. i.e. the path
through Aristotle and Plato, but puts “Stellen” and “Staendigkeit” at the
focus
of thinking to come to the “Gestell” and the “Kreisgang” of the “Geraff”. I
have
commented on these latter thoughts in my article at the artefact website on
Marx
and Heidegger (available in English and German: “Capital and Technology”).

The path of thinking in “Das Ge-Stell” is steeper than in “Die Frage nach
dem
Technik”, so it is worthwhile taking a look at the former.

Best regards,
Michael
_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-  artefact text and translation _-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-
_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_- made by art  _-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-
http://www.webcom.com/artefact/ _-_-_-_-_-_-_-_ artefact-AT-t-online.de-_-_
_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_ Dr Michael Eldred -_-_-_
_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-





     --- from list heidegger-AT-lists.village.virginia.edu ---




     --- from list heidegger-AT-lists.village.virginia.edu ---



     --- from list heidegger-AT-lists.village.virginia.edu ---