Subject: Re: Heidegger in Germany
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1999 12:40:21 -0800


Interesting  what is in the term "pure". For instance, the human genome is
shared by chimpanazees which have 99 % of the chromosomes that humans have.
And even more interesting is in Peru for instance there are 95 distinct
languages, of which 20 are extinct, or lost, and two languages are spoken
by two tribes that have had no contact with the western world and are
hostile. Recently on the border of Brazil and Peru a new tribe was located
by the Brazilian army, and it took them a long time to find these people:
the year before they had murdered an small group of intruders into their
lands - by mistake - they thought that the intruders were taking their
lands and the women as slaves. Researchers are very interested in these
distinct genotypes of indigenous people for medical research, so there is a
good market for their blood, and other cell types [ethics check anyone]. In
NA there are three distinct indigenous language groups that roughly
correspond to the appearance of the land bridge seperating the arctic ocean
from the pacific, each re-emergence brought new immigrants, from Clovis man
to Dorchester's, etc.

Heidegger mentions in his writings something about the word in english, old
english, called_thanc_ as pertaining to the heart of man as mind. This
seems to me to answer some questions re the metaphor of the heart as the
center of the gathering. In Blakes' scheme and criticism he refers to the
'spectre as the man' that resolves from empirical scientific research, in
that most knowledge is derived from artefacts, from the past. So if the
spectre is the man then the present is already subsumed in the reasoning
and derivation of value of what is in the past with regard to the spectre,
the old dawn, being again. The emphasis on the 'New Jerusalem" in Blake may
be another allusion to what is an antidote to the spectre of man, re "there
is a spectre [Marx's Communist Manifesto]", and the politico-deductive
model of Manchester Capital. What then concerns me with the research qua
"the spectre is the man" is the subsuming of what was important & critical
then is so now... which it isn't. For instance Heidegger writes almost
every page with some references to some environmental metaphor or metaphor
for the body, like a poet; there is this constant wanting to fulfill some
longing in the other for the good and the right, right? 

"The_thanc_means man's inmost mind, the heart, the heart's core, that
innermost essence of man which reaches outward that rightly considered, the
idea of an inner and outer world does not arise." 

He is acting as the 'messenger' delivering over and over the message in the
same clothed in the same garments, body, landscape, forest, always speaking
in the first person plural. Interesting 

"The thanc, the heart's core, is the gathering of all that concerns us, all
that we care for, all that touches us insofar as we are, as human beings." 

Fromm writes in a similar vein and he takes his inspiration from the
jerusalem bible, I believe, Jeramiah, The Heart of Man, and it goes "eye
hath not seen nor has it been prepared for in the Heart of Man the things
that are to come [the New Jerusalem & the new heaven and the new earth
signified by green and silver." 

However, Heidegger is making a statement that_Thanc_ is the inmost mind! Is
this a simple reduction? That everything is one within? 

"The thanc unfolds in memory, which persists as devotion." 

Again we are getting closer and closer to his truth conveyancer/to the
terminus of his truth conveyor. The memory is the retention of past
occassions no? and this is devotion persisting in consciousness, but not as
spectre from the past but as self in eternity. To me this sounds like the
loving of what is good as a spiritual practice, in the sense of the
Ignatius_Spiritual Exercises 

[My very first term paper in Psych 101 was on self-realization in_The
Exercises of St. Ignatius_Which got me called into for an interview with
the prof. since he was to say the least worried about me becoming a good
positivist - but then 6 months later he converted to Christianity - he did
not give me a good mark though]

or S. Juan de la Cruz, or the Zen centering, where being is beneficient,
and the truth has its trajectory of the core [core principles] take no heed
of your needs for tommorrow, that shall be supplied in kind and in time,
take no heed for storing up, the little birds find each day what they need,
so to the soul in questing for truth and fullfillment is accorded fully
what it needs. 

I am devoted to what touches me most "in so far as we are, as human
beings." One has to infer that to be a human being is to be devoted to the
thanc, the inmost mind in the plural sense of the meaning of heart. So
Heidegger does insert the notion that the truth of being is part of being
human, since it, the inmost mind, is persisting in memory as devotion
to....that which touches us most closely. 

Now I wonder how we could as humans incorrectly or correctly infer that
based on science there is a pure race or for that matter a pure species. We
share 99 % of the same chromosomes that we have Chimpanzees. Is the spectre
the Man? 

john








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> From: aglynn-AT-cibcfinance.com
> To: heidegger-AT-lists.village.virginia.edu
> Subject: Re: Heidegger in Germany
> Date: Thursday, January 28, 1999 6:44 AM
> 
> 
> 
> Agreed.  My wife is First Nations on her mother's side (kwakuitl) and
white
> Jamaican (mix of Portuguese/English) on her father's side.  She is often
> discounted by other First Nations people however because she is not
"pure".
> And this has happened at places such as the Native Centre at the
University
> of Toronto, not someplace on Manitoulan Island.  Given even a cursory
> knowledge of the histories of different peoples I personally find the
idea
> of any "pure" race laughable at best.  (I'm a mix of Irish and Scottish,
> born in the north of England, but most people mistake me for German or
> Scandinavian due to blond hair/blue eyes. - and my stepdaughter is to all
> appearances East Indian.  As a family we are definitely not "pur-laine"
in
> any sense).
> 
> Kind regards to a fellow Canadian
> 
> 
> Andrew Glynn
> 
> 
> 
> 
> "John Foster" <borealis-AT-mail.wellsgray.net> on 28/01/99 01:18:48 AM
> 
> Please respond to heidegger-AT-lists.village.virginia.edu
> 
> To:   heidegger-AT-lists.village.virginia.edu
> cc:    (bcc: Andrew Glynn/Information Systems/CFI)
> Subject:  Re: Heidegger in Germany
> 
> 
> 
> 
> In response to:
> 
> > > The rhetoric of the First Nations people in Canada
> > > often smacks of Nazism, talking as they do of keeping the race pure -
> as
> > > do the "pur-laine" ideals of the Quebecois.  But while, and only
while,
> > > they offer those ideals only as individual decisions to be made, and
> not
> > > forcibly entrenched; and while and only while, they maintain and
> > > strengthen their heritage in order to take their place with others in
> the
> > > world, and not to take power over others in the world, there is
little
> I
> > > can say to condemn them except to correct the biologism inherent in
the
> > > idea of 'race', and correct it to a 'heritage' that they want to
> > maintain.
> 
> I wrote: because I disagree with the above comment on the First Nation's
in
> Canada; I am Canadian, married a South American Indian  - were newly wed.
> That comment leaves out most people in Canada since most people I know
are
> closed related to a French Canadian, my neice's father is French
Canadian,
> my wife is Indian, and one of my sister's is married to African American.
> My lawyer friend is Metis, and he has had two marriages with children,
both
> first nation descent, my great-great-great [GGG aunt was Cherokee], and
my
> uncle,... you get the point. We would have to stop breeding to achieve
> racial purity. Around here blonds don't just have more fun, they have
black
> haired babies. My god!!!
> 
> RREEEEAAAADDDD TTTTHHHIIIIISSS!!!
> 
> > Whomever,
> >
> > [First Nations]Second class citizens in their own land [Canada], and as
> unhappy > as they are about their truth situation [where treaties do not
> exist or treaty > rights have not been negotiated}, asserting, along the
> lines of
> > Habermas, that there are rules, proposed rules, for which claims may be
> > expressed in an "ideal speech situation", where the power of a group,
or
> the
> > asymmetric power of a group, would not limit the potential of the group
> for
> > possible "self-expression", it stands that a group claim regarding a
> proposition   > about  it's own destiny is valid as it stands without
> analysis;  inserting an
> > opinion that this is Nazi talk , as a counter claim, is not of any
help.
> Nazi's as we > know did more than talk about a pure race, they murdered 7
> million people they  > did  not want. Keeping ones' blood line pure does
> not mean or infer systematic
> > extermination, that's a fetch of wind to my imago.
> >
> > Heidegger was not attempting to egg any one on about Nazi
sentimentality
> and
> > race purity ever... so this is hidious allusion is out of context in my
> > mind. What did Heidegger do in the 30's as Freiburg professor....?
> >
> > Heidegger supported the "resurgence" of Germany as the platform of the
> > Chancellor when Adolf Hitler of the Weimar Republic in 1933, on April
> 23rd.
> > On May 3 and 4th, 1933, the local papers of Frieburg announced the
> > registration of Heidegger into the Nazi party. Ten months later
Heidegger
> > was no longer a member of the NSDAP movement. During this time
Heidegger
> > was rector at the  university of Freiburg his writings began to include
> > references to _Kampf_
> >
> > [is this struggle as in my struggle? Mien Kampf & did he read Mein
Kampf.
> > Probably didn't or would not have made reference to the title or was it
> > published even?],
> >
> > "military service" within the NSDAP where topics of science and 'being'
> > were discussed in his papers.  Later  as rector of the university
> Heidegger
> > was asked or "demanded" by two professors to fire two other professors
> who
> > were "openly hostile" to the NSDAP. Heidegger failed to ask the
> professors
> > to resign, and later resigned as rector for several reasons. Afterwards
> the
> > philosopher began to criticize the ideology of the NSDAP for racism
> wherein
> > the thematic of the NSDAP_Blud und Bloden_ [blood and body] extolled a
> > basis for racial superiority. After this open criticism professor
> Heidegger
> > was placed under watch-surveillance, his publication rights were
> curtailed,
> > and some of his classes were cancelled. The Nazi's in 1944 proclaimed
> > Heidegger the most "expendable" professor at the Freiburg Univerisity
> > faculty, and apparently he was sent to the Rhine to dig trenches until
he
> > was drafted into the peoples militia. {from: David Farrell
Krell_General
> > Introduction: "The Question of Being", In: Martin Heidegger: Basic
> > Writings} Krell mentions that the NSDAP, through the Ministry of
Culture,
> 
> > vigourously pressured professors to advance the Nazi ideology.
> >
> >
> >
> > > From: JSteppling-AT-aol.com
> > > To: heidegger-AT-lists.village.virginia.edu
> > > Subject: questions
> > > Date: Wednesday, January 27, 1999 2:21 PM
> > >
> > > I've been trying to follow some of this discussion, and am finding it
> > quite
> > > good although I would take it as a great favor if anyone wanted to
give
> > me a
> > > capsule update on Henk's agument that Greg (is it?) and rafael are
> > responding
> > > to. i am by no means a Heidegger expert (hence my desire to join this
> > group
> > > and learn) but if I am understanding some of this correctly I find
the
> > > argument that H's philosophy to be inherently fascistic a little
> > difficult to
> > > accept. But maybe someone will help here. Bear with my ignorance of
> this
> > on-
> > > going debate and thanks. js
> > >
> > >
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> >
> >
> >
> > > The rhetoric of the First Nations people in Canada
> > > often smacks of Nazism, talking as they do of keeping the race pure -
> as
> > > do the "pur-laine" ideals of the Quebecois.  But while, and only
while,
> > > they offer those ideals only as individual decisions to be made, and
> not
> > > forcibly entrenched; and while and only while, they maintain and
> > > strengthen their heritage in order to take their place with others in
> the
> > > world, and not to take power over others in the world, there is
little
> I
> > > can say to condemn them except to correct the biologism inherent in
the
> > > idea of 'race', and correct it to a 'heritage' that they want to
> > maintain.
> >
> >
> >
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