Subject: Re: Heidegger and the Hebrew Tradition
Date: Sun, 10 Jan 1999 11:14:36 -0800




Suppose,
> 
> Rafael,
> 
> >...presupposes there would
> >be a _clean_ solution for all our (!)
> >shamanic, fetishistic etc. thinking.

suppose there were
a clean solution for all
> 
> isn't it a universal  experience,
> a kind of loss of intellectual innocence
> ("wither has it fled the visionary gleam..." and all that),
> a moment in the maturation of human consciousness
> when enchantment and mystery, the animistic world
> of runes and spells and incantations, prospero's
> island, etc., dissolves and leaves behind in its
> place the naked world of fact and law?

in a moment of enchantment
we are left to dissolve
the universal experience
to leave the place of naked facts
of hard laws

facts are not values or to be dis-valued!
but subject to 'strong inference'
to be weighed by a balance
of competing interests

to be used by tools forged by 
the mind
not as manacles
to enslave the imagination
and ensnare the host
but to lend credence to the 
tillage and humus
to help make fertile the earth when 
amongst more bleaker times 
of ice and chilly winds
men women and children
were all huddled up around salvaged 
tinder and bits of coal
as though before the ancient oaks were felled 
for ships to gather spice and gold and teak

> 
> can't one pretty clearly distinguish each mode?
> as in allen's eg, the j tradition?
> isn't roman catholicism (the astonishing
> vat I and anathema of modernism)
> distinguishable from protestantism
> at a very deep level on essentially this basis?
> and isn't it the basis of husserl's rejection,
> unscientific, of b&t?

as in each,
whose mode,
whose fall from grace,
the divine 
in each, 
clutches together 
some yarn and feathers,
places pitch to hold
this center,
dark, molten
luminous in parts 
according to the sun,
the remainder too 
is divine,
and 
cherished
to the core, 
still some frisking
wish it was now just spring
 
 
> >Just think about how much fetishitic, shamanic etc.
> >there was/is in the marxist tradition
> >(and what about the Hebrew/Christian/... in Karl Marx...?!)
> 
> can't think what in marx you'd be referrencing?
> surely marx redeemed messianism (helder camara & co)
> against the dr's of the word for judeao/xtian civ ?
> and who in the tradition? bloch, maybe?
> but none of them leave the earth, facticity, behind,
> in favor of the house of language.

liberation from earth and facticity 
for a language?
in Shuswap the word 
for walking
is different and varies
depending on the time 
of day or month of year

willow shimmering
moon wanton 
waving sand
 
>this is walking in Shuswap on a clear night<

perhaps language
is to convey in winter
months
amongst heated stones
heaped up stones
the temptations and redeeming
heat of warmer, less imagined 
veces, tiempo

otters slide and play
on riversides
in the Orinoco 
and the Tum Tum

who dreams of summer
dreams not of winter in summer
but dreams of endless hours
>internal sense of time or Bergsonian time/duration<
aloft a raft in exquisite light
or adrift as though in nectar found
in a sieve
honey 

>we were as though men lost at sea 
>we were in a boat with a rudder
>lost and adrift at sea
>we were truely adrift without much to hope for
>then we found our faith
>amongst the reed boats
>high above the river 
>that flows to the sea
>later amongst ancient places
>of worship
>amongst porticoes of granite
>crucifurous lichen
>as old as these hills
>as I am
>my heart is moved by a woman 
>who wears a shawl on her head
>it is black

>even through the thick mud walls
>where ancient light from moon
>illumines this bed
>there are still no lights on 
>in this town
>and out on the lake that is oceanic
>far above the Orinoco

>how much mystery and wonder
>could have been given
>on this quietest of nights?

Soft Fluffy Cloud

Isla Taquile, 1998, Peru

> 
> but anyway, am after quarrying, not discountenancing,
> heid. now god's dead, the project of b&t is
> compelling, eh?...only i'd like to amend the monism.
> ...facticity, the ontic, techne...the person,
> don't they require to be redeemed?
> 
> could one maybe postulate that h's ontology
> in dialogue (his pristine inclination) with marxism
> (the authentic great movement) is for post-modern western civ,
> the myth structure essential to the fiducial vitality
> of latter day judaeo/xtian hope?
> who's doing this?
> 
> getting late,
> thanks
> bob
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