Subject: Re: Heidegger and the Hebrew Tradition
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1999 00:41:20 -0500


me too, John,
wonderful piece of shuswap spell casting

thanks,
bob

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To: Rscheetz <Rscheetz>
Date: Sunday, January 10, 1999 3:33 PM
Subject: Re: Heidegger and the Hebrew Tradition


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>john,
>thanks for your terrific shamanic (?) thoughts
>I will dream about this tonight!
>rc
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>Von: John Foster <borealis-AT-mail.wellsgray.net>
>An: heidegger-AT-lists.village.virginia.edu
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>Datum: Sonntag, 10. Januar 1999 20:19
>Betreff: Re: Heidegger and the Hebrew Tradition
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>>
>>
>>Suppose,
>>>
>>> Rafael,
>>>
>>> >...presupposes there would
>>> >be a _clean_ solution for all our (!)
>>> >shamanic, fetishistic etc. thinking.
>>
>>suppose there were
>>a clean solution for all
>>>
>>> isn't it a universal  experience,
>>> a kind of loss of intellectual innocence
>>> ("wither has it fled the visionary gleam..." and all that),
>>> a moment in the maturation of human consciousness
>>> when enchantment and mystery, the animistic world
>>> of runes and spells and incantations, prospero's
>>> island, etc., dissolves and leaves behind in its
>>> place the naked world of fact and law?
>>
>>in a moment of enchantment
>>we are left to dissolve
>>the universal experience
>>to leave the place of naked facts
>>of hard laws
>>
>>facts are not values or to be dis-valued!
>>but subject to 'strong inference'
>>to be weighed by a balance
>>of competing interests
>>
>>to be used by tools forged by
>>the mind
>>not as manacles
>>to enslave the imagination
>>and ensnare the host
>>but to lend credence to the
>>tillage and humus
>>to help make fertile the earth when
>>amongst more bleaker times
>>of ice and chilly winds
>>men women and children
>>were all huddled up around salvaged
>>tinder and bits of coal
>>as though before the ancient oaks were felled
>>for ships to gather spice and gold and teak
>>
>>>
>>> can't one pretty clearly distinguish each mode?
>>> as in allen's eg, the j tradition?
>>> isn't roman catholicism (the astonishing
>>> vat I and anathema of modernism)
>>> distinguishable from protestantism
>>> at a very deep level on essentially this basis?
>>> and isn't it the basis of husserl's rejection,
>>> unscientific, of b&t?
>>
>>as in each,
>>whose mode,
>>whose fall from grace,
>>the divine
>>in each,
>>clutches together
>>some yarn and feathers,
>>places pitch to hold
>>this center,
>>dark, molten
>>luminous in parts
>>according to the sun,
>>the remainder too
>>is divine,
>>and
>>cherished
>>to the core,
>>still some frisking
>>wish it was now just spring
>>
>>
>>> >Just think about how much fetishitic, shamanic etc.
>>> >there was/is in the marxist tradition
>>> >(and what about the Hebrew/Christian/... in Karl Marx...?!)
>>>
>>> can't think what in marx you'd be referrencing?
>>> surely marx redeemed messianism (helder camara & co)
>>> against the dr's of the word for judeao/xtian civ ?
>>> and who in the tradition? bloch, maybe?
>>> but none of them leave the earth, facticity, behind,
>>> in favor of the house of language.
>>
>>liberation from earth and facticity
>>for a language?
>>in Shuswap the word
>>for walking
>>is different and varies
>>depending on the time
>>of day or month of year
>>
>>willow shimmering
>>moon wanton
>>waving sand
>>
>>>this is walking in Shuswap on a clear night<
>>
>>perhaps language
>>is to convey in winter
>>months
>>amongst heated stones
>>heaped up stones
>>the temptations and redeeming
>>heat of warmer, less imagined
>>veces, tiempo
>>
>>otters slide and play
>>on riversides
>>in the Orinoco
>>and the Tum Tum
>>
>>who dreams of summer
>>dreams not of winter in summer
>>but dreams of endless hours
>>>internal sense of time or Bergsonian time/duration<
>>aloft a raft in exquisite light
>>or adrift as though in nectar found
>>in a sieve
>>honey
>>
>>>we were as though men lost at sea
>>>we were in a boat with a rudder
>>>lost and adrift at sea
>>>we were truely adrift without much to hope for
>>>then we found our faith
>>>amongst the reed boats
>>>high above the river
>>>that flows to the sea
>>>later amongst ancient places
>>>of worship
>>>amongst porticoes of granite
>>>crucifurous lichen
>>>as old as these hills
>>>as I am
>>>my heart is moved by a woman
>>>who wears a shawl on her head
>>>it is black
>>
>>>even through the thick mud walls
>>>where ancient light from moon
>>>illumines this bed
>>>there are still no lights on
>>>in this town
>>>and out on the lake that is oceanic
>>>far above the Orinoco
>>
>>>how much mystery and wonder
>>>could have been given
>>>on this quietest of nights?
>>
>>Soft Fluffy Cloud
>>
>>Isla Taquile, 1998, Peru
>>
>>>
>>> but anyway, am after quarrying, not discountenancing,
>>> heid. now god's dead, the project of b&t is
>>> compelling, eh?...only i'd like to amend the monism.
>>> ...facticity, the ontic, techne...the person,
>>> don't they require to be redeemed?
>>>
>>> could one maybe postulate that h's ontology
>>> in dialogue (his pristine inclination) with marxism
>>> (the authentic great movement) is for post-modern western civ,
>>> the myth structure essential to the fiducial vitality
>>> of latter day judaeo/xtian hope?
>>> who's doing this?
>>>
>>> getting late,
>>> thanks
>>> bob
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