Subject: Re: From: Stuart Elden <stuart.elden-AT-clara.co.uk> Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2001 13:34:16 +0000 > > oops, i meant Allen iso Stuart, sorry it's late. > > Cat: > > Freudian slip? :-) Well, I was tempted to engage before this provocation, but now I see no reason to hold back. If this is supposed to suggest that I am easily equated to Allen, I'd be happy to take that, and would indeed take it as a compliment. Allen embodies the kind of virtues of a contributor to this list that Catweasle so obviously does not. His posts are invariably interesting and thoughtful, grounded in a very sound knowledge of the matters at stake. For one particular thing, he actually _reads_, carefully and attentively. Compare, for example... Allen: Towards the same end, he also requires that his students place > themselves "at the disposal" of the text by recognizing that they are > "needing to be told. . .that in some regard, something is still wrong > with us" that philosophy, properly understood, is in a unique > position to correct. And Catweasle's characterisation of this as > "Place > yourselves at > my disposal" or "You need to be told! " There is a world of difference between suggesting that students attend carefully to an important text and suggesting that they attend carefully to the teacher. Surely you can see that? Also the suggestion that there is "something still wrong with _us_". Not "you", but "us". Heidegger is recognising that he can learn from Aristotle too. Clear, if we look at the texts he devoted to Aristotle in the 20s and the impact they had on his own thought. Of course, the question of Heidegger's pedagogy is an interesting and important topic. Hans Jonas suggested that Heidegger made it possible for him to really engage with the way of thinking of another thinker. And he meant Aristotle. Hannah Arendt had a very high view of Heidegger as _teacher_. But then, of course, Heidegger uses the notion of the University in a very damaging way - for his political ambitions. But this is an issue that needs to be thought through carefully - reading the Heidegger/Jaspers correspondence is instructive, for instance; or Kisiel, etc. - not dismissed in summary and, yes, ignorant ways. Heidegger tries to teach the importance of slow careful reading. Some of us seek to follow that advice, even to turn it against Heidegger's failings. Stuart -- --- from list heidegger-AT-lists.village.virginia.edu ---
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