File spoon-archives/heidegger.archive/heidegger_2001/heidegger.0102, message 40

Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2001 08:16:51 -0800
Subject: Stuart Allen

>> > oops, i meant Allen iso Stuart, sorry it's late.
>> Cat:
>> Freudian slip?  :-)
>Well, I was tempted to engage before this provocation, but now I see no
>reason to hold back.
>If this is supposed to suggest that I am easily equated to Allen, I'd
>be happy to take that, and would indeed take it as a compliment. Allen
>embodies the kind of virtues of a contributor to this list that
>Catweasle so obviously does not. His posts are invariably interesting
>and thoughtful, grounded in a very sound knowledge of the matters at
>For one particular thing, he actually _reads_, carefully and
>Compare, for example...
>Allen: Towards the same end,   he also requires that his students place
>> themselves "at the disposal" of the text by recognizing that they are
>> "needing to be told. . .that in some regard, something is still wrong
>> with us"  that philosophy, properly understood, is in a unique
>> position to correct.

Agree Stuart, Allen's artful phrasing in the above paragraph is worthy of
Keats truth/beauty dyad, poetry that strikes the heart deeply because it
paints in the mind something the heart has always and already known since
childhood. "Something is still wrong with us", how exhibitionary and rich
that statement is, even unto describing all of our struggles on this list.

Another line pops into mind, one also seeming to me to be Keatsian, as
pertains to Catnip, from Sim n Garf's ' The Boxer:

"Still, a man hears what he wants to hear and disregards the rest".

(O la li la li la li la li la li).


>And Catweasle's characterisation of this as
>>  "Place
>> yourselves at
>> my disposal" or "You need to be told! "
>There is a world of difference between suggesting that students attend
>carefully to an important text and suggesting that they attend
>carefully to the teacher. Surely you can see that? Also the suggestion
>that there is "something still wrong with _us_". Not "you", but "us".
>Heidegger is recognising that he can learn from Aristotle too. Clear,
>if we look at the texts he devoted to Aristotle in the 20s and the
>impact they had on his own thought.
>Of course, the question of Heidegger's pedagogy is an interesting and
>important topic. Hans Jonas suggested that Heidegger made it possible
>for him to really engage with the way of thinking of another thinker.
>And he meant Aristotle. Hannah Arendt had a very high view of Heidegger
>as _teacher_. But then, of course, Heidegger uses the notion of the
>University in a very damaging way - for his political ambitions. But
>this is an issue that needs to be thought through carefully - reading
>the Heidegger/Jaspers correspondence is instructive, for instance; or
>Kisiel, etc. - not dismissed in summary and, yes, ignorant ways.
>Heidegger tries to teach the importance of slow careful reading. Some
>of us seek to follow that advice, even to turn it against Heidegger's
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