From: "Jud Evans" <Jud-AT-sunrise74.freeserve.co.uk>
Subject: Re: Daseinic Circles.
Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2001 13:36:04 -0000


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Michael Eldred wrote:

A friend of mine, enamoured of AP, tells me proudly of the German Analytical
Philosophy Association, which has a burgeoning membership.  All wandering
somewhere in the terrain cast over three hundred years ago between Descartes
and Leibniz. But they don't look three hundred years old.

Rene
Hi Michael,  Lately a friend and I were lost in Den Haag.  We drove into a
tunnel, and I said: Damn, weren't we here 5 minutes ago? He answered: You're
talking about eternal return and here you are, complaining already at the
second time.



Malik:
This reminds me of a line from a poem by Rilke which was related to me
recently by a friend:

(without warranty, since I only HEARD this so far)

Ich leb' mein Leben in Kreisen, in Ringen,  wei nicht, ob mir wird der
nchste gelingen. . .

A poor, quick translation could read:

I live my life in circles, rings,  I do not know if I will reach the next. .

My friends comment along with this was, that in each circle there is a
"door" to a "higher" circle of Dasein - and that one must be alert in order
not to overlook it and not to have to go around once again in the same
circle.



Jud:
 I found your friend's description of the Heideggerian Daseinic propensity
for going round and round in circles fascinating in that it  confirms what I
have always felt, that the mutant Falsein is like a robo-fly with one wing
stapled to the window-sill going round and round in  futile circles as he
waits for Godet. It is interesting too, that the 'Rishi' or Zoroastrian
priest's description of paradise as a hierarchical  system of heavenly
planes or levels, is an almost perfect copy of the 'Il Purgatorio' section
of the Divina Commedia (The Daseinic  Comedy) of the great Italian
renaissance poet Dante.  In this great work, the cowled Dasein disguised as
Dante is conducted by the ghost of the long dead Roman poet Virgil as a
guide, and visits the  various levels of hell and purgatory. They start at
the bottom-most levels, where Heidegger, Hiltler and Margeret Thatcher  and
the most evil sinners undergo the  most cruel sufferings and tortures, and
they finish up at the top of a high mountain.  He describes it rather like a
many-tiered wedding-cake, where Goddy Boy sits in splendour immediately
above the Saints Plato and Aristotle,  Archbishops Nietzsche, Husserl, and
Yuri Geller, Bishop Sartre and the Priests from the Heidegger list. The
other planes of society [analytic and  materialist philosophers] exist in
lower layers beneath.

Sir Thomas Moore's 'Utopia' written in the 15th century had a similar
'pecking-order model' of society. The King Martinet Slybegger  the First
occupies the position on top of the heap, while various clamouring tiers of
frenzied academics struggle to support him, the  whole burden carried by the
labouring masses of pragmatists and and tax-paying masses at the very
bottom. It does rather make  one think that perhaps the various Religions do
base their models of ideal society on a structure that would bolster and
give support  to existing political and social systems - don't you agree?
Sometimes the most obtuse and unbelievable ideas can be presented in fresh,
engaging, and entertaining ways. {not mentioning  any names here] The
success of the lunatic-fringe philosophical cults bears witness to this
power of  hyphenation and nouns  tranformed into verbs, which in the mouths
of persuasive and charismatic leaders can move otherwise sensible people to
kill others  and even to kill themselves!

Happy Daze!

Jud.





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