Date: Tue, 08 May 2001 18:09:59 +0200
Subject: Re: Rhetoric


That's a good link, metaph. home position - Novalis' saying. Indeed
Heidegger has then reached a new place - but not itself a metaphysical
position. 
That went 'wrong' after BT, when, together with Scheler, he wanted to start
up 
a new metaphysics, with an ontic approach of Dasein, which would parallel 
Scheler's "The place of man in the kosmos". In Poeggeler's last book he gives 
a good historical overview. 

In the same year 1928 was the Marburg lecture "Metaphysical foundations of
logic".
In it is this astonishing phrase:  The possibility, that there is Being in
understanding
[Verstehen], requires the factical existence of Dasein, and this
[existence] again
the factical occurrence of nature [Vorhandensein der Natur]." (GA 26,
German p. 199)   
A radical reflection on the possibility of a fundamental-ontology can only
begin, when
the fact is acknowledged " ... that a possible totality of being(s) is
already there."
[dass eine moegliche Totalitaet von Seiendem schon da ist]

Allen,

Poeggeler, in "Heideggers logische Untersuchungen", gives a note, made by H.
after the 1st Aristotle lecture: "not life, not world, but Being, Dasein."

I was thinking too of a phrase I remember of the Nietzsche-volumes, where he
says about Aristotle, that he could only come after Plato, after the 'idea',
but that he is more Greek than him. That MUST be physis.

I'm just thinking out loud: What about the Jews and nature?

regards,

Rene






  
 








>Overcoming metaphysics is a hard task, when we 'live' in the completion of
>it (Vollendung).
>This means, a.o., that in Hegel and Nietzsche, metaphysics pulls its last
>consequences.
>For Nietzsche truth and error are merely functions of life, and "being"
>only a shadow.    
>Heidegger drops very soon the notion of life. And one could ask: what right
>does Nietzsche
>have to use this word? Is it not, in its connectedness with "becoming" and
>"will", a last "evidence"  in the Cartesian sense, that is: still a home?
>Does it not say (presume) too much already, as if we know what that is,
>life, and that we are it? Whereas only this inconspicious  word "being"
>says nothing at all.
>Indeed, "being' is the least differential, in-different thing you can say
>of something.
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>When Heidegger in his formally-indicating hermeneutics reaches out for the
>not-occurrent
>Dasein, in order to be able to say what 'being' (Sinn des Seins) is, the
>result seems more negative that positive: there is no meaning left.
>Facticity (and Gelassenheit) can hardly be 
>called a new home.
>Building a new home, or only preparing it, presupposes destruction up to
>the bottom, which 
>the German says very well: zum Grunde gehen.  (Grundstimmung)
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>Rene:
> Also, the Rhetoric must have some place
>in the whole of Aristoteles' works, although it is not a system.
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>Allen:
>Aristotle leaves its place unmarked, though there are strong hints in the
>N.Ethics, Book VI, Chapt 9, where rhetoric is implicitly identified with
>deliberation as the discourse in which the phronimos "excells."
>"Correctness of deliberation" is how the Phronimos shows himself to be
>such. Rhetoric is thus amenable to judgment, to being judged.  Heidegger
>sees himself as the Phronimos of modern philosophy!  So the rectorship
>would be the least of what he thought he deserved!
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>So in response to your question at the end of the post, i would say that
>rhetoric for Aristotle and Heidegger is NOT supplemental, but rather
>contains within the range of its dunamis the sum and substance Verstehen.
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>Rene:
>If you replace Heidegger with Gadamer, I agree.
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>I must run.  I think I might have overstated some things in haste here, but
>perhaps that's for the betterment of the discussion.
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>Everything is better than treacherous vagueness. 
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>thanks,
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>Rene
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