Date: Thu, 24 May 2001 12:22:57 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Re: phenomenology of religion


If you're right, Heidegger is definitely the good son
of antinomian Lutheranism!

(Let me mull this over for a couple of days; things
have gotten busy on this end).

Thanks,
Paul

--- Henk van Tuijl <h.vantuijl-AT-home.nl> wrote:
> From: "P. Johnston" <smirglehoffeth-AT-yahoo.com>
> To: <heidegger-AT-lists.village.virginia.edu>
> Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2001 11:03 PM
> Subject: Re: phenomenology of religion
> 
> 
> > For instance, the concept of Halakhah Allen
> expounds
> > as being in agreement with "Henk's
> characterization of
> > Heidegger's characterization of Paul" (and as
> being
> > one in which the *what* cannot be understood
> except in
> > the *how*) is none other than the NT concept of
> > Halakhah -- shared, I think, by the evangelists
> _and_
> > Paul and James, not constituting the basis of an
> > alleged distinction between them.  The canonical
> Jesus
> > and Paul throw a lot of negative language at real,
> > existing Halakhah -- but then introduce the
> functional
> > equivalent of it into Christian discourse from the
> > get-go.  (Cf. James 2, Matthew 5, Romans 13).  I
> > accept and honor this NT concept of Halakhah,
> which
> > understands the keeping of mitzvot (particular
> > "whats") as inevitable concomitants to living
> one's
> > life according to the appropriate "how" (incarnate
> > love that conducts itself as disciplined adherence
> to
> > the "royal law").
> 
> Paul,
> It seems that you and Heidegger have a different
> understanding of St. Paul.
> Heidegger accentuates the fact that following St.
> Paul Christ has become the
> law. Since Christ died, the law died (Da Christus
> mit dem Gezetz identisch
> wurde, ist das Gesetz mit ihm gestorben ... -
> GA60:70): ergo, not the law
> but faith alone (not _ex ergoon nomou_ but _ex
> akoaes pisteoos_ - GA60:73).
> 
> > Lindbeck understands a given religion as a "form
> of
> > life" which has certain
> > behaviors/liturgies/disciplines/sentences as its
> > indispensible props -- "doctrine" in Lindbeck's
> sense
> > consists of "communally authoritative teachings
> > regarding belief and practice that are considered
> > essential to the identity and welfare of the group
> in
> > question." (Lindbeck, The Nature of Doctrine 74).
> > Their truth is not evaluated on the basis of their
> > correspondence to realities external to the
> discourse,
> > but on the basis of what he calls
> "intra-systematic
> > coherence" (how well these items cohere in
> propagating
> > the religious form of life in its particular
> > teleological ends).  One of his famous lines is
> "Jesus
> > Christ is Lord is never true when it's being
> shouted
> > as one cleaves the skull of an infidel" (because
> this
> > wouldn't cohere with the non-violent
> presuppositions
> > implicit in the Christian form of life).  Whether
> or
> > not somewhere in the metaphysical aether there is
> a
> > Jesus Christ who is (truly and really) the
> universe's
> > unquestioned Lord is a shell-game -- the context
> in
> > which the claim "Jesus Christ is Lord" is
> meaningful
> > is the attempt to live a Christian life in which
> all
> > one's traditionally-received Christian
> > behaviors/articulations (however interpreted)
> cohere
> > in a self-reinforcing whole that enhances one's
> > efforts to realize the distinctive teleology of
> > Christian life
> 
> Could it be that Lindbeck's how is still Heidegger's
> what? I have the
> impression that Heidegger's how is more radical than
> Lindbeck's. It might be
> the way to authenticity (cf. _hoos mae_ - as if not,
> i.e. not "they").
> 
> Following Heidegger the how is based on: knowing
> one's place in life, being
> aware of the fact that one stands before a new
> beginning, and a historical
> understanding of oneself and one's Dasein
> (Selbstgewissheit der Stellung in
> seinem eigenen Leben - Bruch in seiner Existenz -
> Urpsruengliches
> historische Verstaendnis seines Selbst und seines
> Daseins - GA60:73-74).
> 
> The how itself is not a certain behaviour as such
> but a significance that is
> factually present in the environment (Aber auch
> dieses Wie ist keine
> ausgeformte Weise des Verhaltens zu etwas, sondern
> eine umweltliche,
> faktisch in der Umwelt verhaftete Bedeutsamkeit -
> GA60:14).
> 
> Henk
> 
> 
> 
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