Date: Mon, 25 Jun 2001 10:19:43 -0500 From: allen scult <allen.scult-AT-drake.edu> Subject: Re: The misunderstanding statement 2 Michael, Henk, Blanken' Gulio, Rene, Paul et. al., A flood of wonderful Sayings, just as I'm about to leave for Madeliene Island! So no time now for an adequate, serious response. But in a less than an adequately serious mode ( I'm not sure how much less), I must note how each post seemed to wind up with something like a rhetorically capacious, philosophically full- bodied aphorism, proving, that "ultimately" it's all for the Saying; rhetoric as philosophical arete, seeing ( teorein) what can be said on the matter, and how close the saying can come to the shimmering phenomenal shape of the thing itself. When we think thanks, isn't it for the saying? Where a certain pleasure indicates the clearing we have reached? Plato's Socrates condemns rhetoric, but then not only shows what he can do with it ( sometimes with his very condemnation of it as the theme!), but also his appreciation of how much pleasure it can give. In the Phaedrus, the pleasure goes so deep as to link up with poetic madness to "make" love. Of course,, rhetorical capaciousness excercised alone reduces the philosophical possibility in such pleasure to mere flattery-- yuppy cuisine! What distinguishes the philosopher is that he can recognize the real thing and then can deepen the pleasure by accounting for it-- precisely what Plato says in the Gorgias rhetoric alone cannot do. For when it does, it becomes philosophy! Thanks again for your sayings. Allen -- Professor Allen Scult Dept. of Philosophy HOMEPAGE: " Heidegger on Rhetoric and Hermeneutics": Drake University http://www.multimedia2.drake.edu/s/scult/scult.html Des Moines, Iowa 50311 PHONE: 515 271 2869 FAX: 515 271 3826 --- from list heidegger-AT-lists.village.virginia.edu ---
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