Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2001 13:06:22 -0500
From: allen scult <allen.scult-AT-drake.edu>
Subject: Re: the most desireable thing


Kenneth and Edwin,

Remembering with fondness, Kenneth's kind inclusion of my own body in 
his recent condemnation of minds on this list, totally absorbed by 
their already programmed word-obsessions ( redundant; it couldn't be 
any other way).  But thankfully  I can still appreciate the words of 
others, differently obsessed, and did especially, your recent post 
Edwin, and Kenneth's own rightly worded appreciation of it as giving 
rise to ( and perhaps coming out of) a fondly remembered melancholy. 
(If it weren't a fondly remembered melancholy which is evoked and 
evocable, it would be depression which is neither, but just 
irrepresable--coming out of the body with no stops.)

My appreciation of your words of course moves to the philosophic 
(programmatic- obsessive) level where it wonders at the wonder of 
such evocations,  and asks after the wherefrom and whereto of the 
comings and goings of such evocations.

Today's programmed probe of the question comes to you from Band 20, 
History of the Concept of Time:

Mitteilung besagt danach die Ermoeglichung dessen, warueber die Rede 
ist, sich selbst anzueignen,d.h. in ein Umgangs-und Seinverhaeltnis 
zu dem zu kommen, woven die Rede ist.  In der Rede als Mitteilung 
vollzieht sich eine Aneignung der Welt, in der man im Miteinandersein 
immer schon ist.(362)

(quick translation from kisiel) Communication accordingly means the 
enabling of the appropriation of that about which the discourse is, 
that is, making it possible to come into a relationship of 
preoccupation and being to that of which the discourse is.  Discourse 
as communication brings about an appropriation of the world in which 
one always already is in being with one another.

It is through/in such wordly( worldly) evocations that we find 
ourselves already sharing a preoccupation ( an obsession, a 
programmed way of being-in-the-world--of which, of course, there are 
an infinite number) which simultaneously gives us a world and one 
another in it.  Through successive appreciations, and appreciations 
of the appreciations, it's a gift which keeps on giving.  Aristotle 
to Heidegger to . . .

Allen




At 3:04 PM -0700 8/15/01, Kenneth Johnson wrote:
>Good good stuff Edwin! I like it, especially for the sensitivity it shows
>toward the rhythms of ALL the worlding games as they play themselves out
>inside randomly selected enframings of the seen wherein any randomly framed
>seen is taken up a level higher, into the scenic -
>
>engaged, softly but alertly, by likewise random inside placements of a
>sympatico turned face on, and unexceptible with, brute nature, i.e.
>counting us as "taking our place with (and as being no less or no more
>brutish than) the rest of nature" (N). (or maybe also read as: "within the
>seeing of what we see we also see that what we see also sees us seeing "it"
>seeing us - AS it")
>
>The rich striated weavings inside the texture of your melancholy are
>composed of strands which, for me on the outside, fit externally as tightly
>and well woven and evokes me the feeling you belong to a youngerish crowd,
>or at least, when taken altogether, gives rise to a particular melancholy
>inside me I have strong and fond memories of -
>
>-k
>
>You wrote:
>
>>Cash-ing in again:
>>You ask me if I'll get along
>>I guess I will some way
>>I don't like it but I guess things happen that way
>>
>>all true all to true tho HOW tackle the "It" that
>>ain't a WOT - tho maybe (as may be) a day by day
>>THAT, and dark nights of simple be-ing:
>>
>>she had a few days to live. out of the blue, i asked,
>>"what will you miss most?" "everything," she said.
>>
>>night scene: the Harbor Light Bar facing the
>>Manhattan skyline and Brooklyn Bridge. in this
>>panorama of objects, three images(?) thoughts(?)
>>happenings(?) pop up - as must on occasion with
>>everyman:
>>
>>1. quote by Stanley Kunitz (in my backpack):
>>
>>"More recently I expressed a desire to write poems
>>'so transparent that one can look through and see the world.'
>>I recognize that there is a great area of unknowing within me.
>  >Such existential concerns tend to make me rather impatient with the
>>particulars of the day. At the same time I am aware that it is out of
>>the dailiness of life that one is driven into the deepest recesses of
>>the self. There is a transportation, to and fro, between these two
>>worlds. The moment that flow stops, one stops being a poet."
>>
>>2. a possible painting:
>>apply ivory black to the canvas. place random sparkling
>>white or bright colored dots strewn over the surface.
>>connect the dots with straight and/or curved lines. add two.
>>thicker, intersecting arcs that touch the perimeters of the
>>canvas edges.
>>
>>3. a poem for Pete that i read at his memorial exhibition,
>>July 19 - Aug 10 at the Greene Naftali gallery, NYC:
>>
>>Peter knew what the poets meant
>>when they said that poems
>>give you eternal enigmas
>>rather than daily news.
>>As a matter of fact,
>>I saw Pete last night
>>at the Harbor Light Bar.
>>He was sipping wine
>>and  gazing at the
>>tangled colors
>>of the Manhattan skyline
>>and Brooklyn Bridge.
>>"The brick and steel
>>are not really there
>>until you paint them", he said,
>>"or maybe write a poem".
>>
>>Ed
>>ps: here's to all the "Potato Eaters."
>>
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