Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2001 13:32:29 +0200 From: Michael Eldred <artefact-AT-t-online.de> Subject: Re: Juenger-Nietzsche-Heidegger (swallowing) Cologne 19-Sep-2001 Von: Rene de Bakker <rbakker-AT-bs18.bs.uva.nl> schrieb Tue, 18 Sep 2001 16:23:27 +0200: > Risking Juenger's saying: He, who comments on himself, relapses below his > level. > > Juenger: >Islam might seem to be an exception, but appearances are > deceptive. The > >reason is not that Islam stands outside its time: from a Titanic point of > view, it is > >truly contemporary. > > Nietzsche: "Die Zeit kommt, wo der Kampf um die Erdherrschaft gefhrt > werden wird, > er wird im Namen philosophischer Grundlehren gefhrt werden." > > Nietzsche's prognosis: the futural strife for the dominion of the earth > will be waged > in the name of philosophical fundamental doctrines. Rene, Do you have a page reference for this? > > If you want Heidegger without Nietzsche or nihilism you can't go further > than BT, and also there > he is clandestine present. One certainly cannot quote then from "Identity > and difference". > In the "Contributions" Nietzsche and BT belong to the transition. (Uebergang) As I say, one does not have to swallow everything. Heidegger certainly did not swallow Nietzsche whole, but was very, very discriminating. Only this approach allowed him to work out a line of thought from the chaotic mess of fragments in Nietzsche. I prefer to leave the Titans to their own stupid and dangerous male fantasies (e.g. "everything autocratic, masculine, conquering, domineering, all instincts which are inherent in the highest and finest type of 'human'..." _Jenseits von Gut und Boese_, Section 62) Without being able to assess the context at the moment, the above Nietzsche quote on Erdherrschaft is dangerous nonsense (like much else in Nietzsche). There can be no struggle and never will be a struggle for dominion over the earth fought "in the name of philosophical fundamental doctrines". Why? Because, firstly, there is no philosophy in the genuine sense which is not somehow rooted in the Greek tradition. Greek philosophizing (which is _questioning_) is unique and distinct from the other teachings of wisdom and doctrines on the nature of the world and human being in other parts of the world. And secondly, because philosophy itself never enters an arena of struggle over world dominion. A struggle over world dominion in the name of philosophy is not philosophy and can only be a perversion of philosophy. Philosophy does not need such loud struggle. Nietzsche's bombastic pronouncements and forecasts are to be thoroughly mistrusted. Instead, I go along with Heidegger's following characterization of how philosophy works in history: "The single thought of a thinker in each individual case, however, is something around which, unexpectedly and unnoticed, all beings revolve in the quietest quiet. Thinkers are the founders of something that never becomes viewable in an image, which can never be related historically and can never be technically calculated; but which rules without requiring power." (Nietzsche II:475) Thinking takes place and has its place in the "quietest quiet". A thinker's thought percolates down in history, unfolding its hold over all beings quietly, without anyone noticing. A thinker's fame or notoriety is always suspect because the many are incapable of assessing a philosopher's thought. Nietzsche at his most dangerous and bombastic: "A declaration of war of the _higher humans_ against the masses is necessary! Everywhere, the mediocre congregate to make themselves master! Everything which makes [humans] soft, gentle, which brings the 'people' or the 'feminine' to the fore, works in favour of the _suffrage universel_, i.e. the rule of _lower humans_." (Fragment from the eighties, Schlechta S.III 430) Nietzsche in another, more accommodating mood: "The fact of credit, the entire world trade, the means of transport -- an immensely mild _trust_ in people is expressed in this... This is also contributed to by 3. the release of science from moral and religious intentions: a very good sign which, however, is mostly falsely understood." (Fragment from the eighties, Schlechta S.III 809) Here Nietzsche a protagonist of world trade, praising the historical achievement of a "colossal quantum of _humanity_" (ibid.)?? Michael _-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_- artefact text and translation _-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_ _-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_- made by art _-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_ http://www.webcom.com/artefact/ _-_-_-_-_-_- artefact-AT-webcom.com _-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_ Dr Michael Eldred -_-_- _-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_ > > > ======> > >"If Saddam can't have Bagdad, then nobody will." > > Didn't he make a will, some time ago? > > >ps Yesterday on German television: concert to honour the victims > >in New York. On the program: Wagner, Tristan and Isolde: > >Prelude and love-death. > > > >One titanic will to nothing, accompanied by the other. > > Nietzsche would call this: a fundamental aberrance of the instincts. > Modern man sits on a chair, saying yes to one side and no > to the other. > "Horrible" and "enchanting", at the same time...! > "Two souls are dwelling in my breast", what a martyr that once was. > Now there is room for seven of 'm, without even being noticed. > > r > > ----------------------------------- > drs. Ren de Bakker > Universiteitsbibliotheek Amsterdam > Afdeling Catalogisering > tel. 020-5252368 > --- from list heidegger-AT-lists.village.virginia.edu ---
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