From: "Stuart Elden" <stuart.elden-AT-clara.co.uk> Subject: RE: Shakespeare Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2001 08:24:14 -0000 Once again the point and your message miss each other by a mile. Congratulations, once again you have turned a criticism of you into a supposed generalised piece of offence. I am particularly impressed that you have managed to suggest that my message may have offended people 'from other lands' as well. You manage to suggest that I am 'insensitive' and that I would benefit from a 'little more thought'. I did not say that I had studied Shakespeare 'years ago' but 'long before' I studied Heidegger. There is an important difference. The point was - as I sense you well know - that I did not need to have been a Heideggerian to have seen those lines as perfectly adequate alone, without a need to add 'alive' to each 'to be'. And now you suggest that putting 'explained' in quotes is the matter of offence. That seems needlessly sensitive. As, again, I sense you well know, the point was not to say that I did not need it explained to me (i.e. some suggestion of my 'superior' knowledge, which I don't claim), and not that the line did not need to be interpreted, but that it did not need to have an explanation which required it to have 'alive' added in. It was a criticism of you, and nothing more. It was not that it did not need to be explained, but that your 'explanation' was not needed. Your point was that Shakespeare needed to have this poetic ellipsis spelled out, mine was that that was not necessary, that there was nothing missing. A criticism of you, and you alone. Naturally that will offend you, as you go into the wounded dog routine again, but it was not a generalised post, and your attempt to turn it into one is disingenous. If I were to dwell over the words I wrote and to consider the fragility of your ego anymore than I already do, then I would be wasting further time. It is of some comfort that this kind of response is not solely directed at me. It is of more comfort that in my dealings with others on this list, and on other lists elsewhere, I don't seem to cause as much offence as I do to you. I had hoped that maybe, just maybe, the dust had settled enough for a decent dialogue. But no, once again I have realised that it is better to tolerate, to not get involved, to shut up. Ken, of course, is right. I said in the last response that it was a shame you'd taken it the way you did. It was and it is. My apologies to the general list for the way this has descended again. I hope I can restrain myself from getting involved and that this will be my last word on this topic. Stuart --- from list heidegger-AT-lists.village.virginia.edu ---
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