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Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2001 13:29:56 -0500 From: allen scult <allen.scult-AT-drake.edu> Subject: Re: thuggery --Boundary_(ID_eBJEOOJYXge05pJoIgLBTg) >----- Original Message ----- >From: Rene de Bakker <rbakker-AT-bs18.bs.uva.nl> >To: <heidegger-AT-lists.village.virginia.edu> >Sent: Friday, October 19, 2001 10:31 AM >Subject: Re: thuggery > > > >If you have a plan then it's more than you had before which bordered on >trivial gossip; and you only have it because you don't die easy. > >Gulio > Is that an apsect of being-toward-death? We only get to certain places by being pushed in a way we could never do to ourselves. Onto the narrow ridge of determinate indeterminacy. And then Rene laughingly sticks his chin out! Pushed is the wrong word. Here is some Heidegger-thuggery from SS 1924: ein methodische Voraussetzung: den Glauben an die Geschichte in dem Sinne, dass wir voraussetzen, dass Geschichte und geschichtliche Vergangenheit (sofern ihr nur die Bahn freigemacht wird), die Moeglichkeit hat, einer Gegenwart oder besser Zukunft einen Stoss zu versetzen. (A methodological assumption: Faith in history in the sense that we assume that history and historical past (insofar as the way is made clear) have the possibility of dealing a blow, setting a present or better future in motion.) In order to be set in motion towards the future as a radical possibility of existence, Dasein must be "freed," awakened, dealt a blow-- a blow which is hard enough to almost kill. Such blows come from a teacher wielding a hammer that is swung from way back over the shoulder. I would say to Jan that dealing such a blow does not go easily with teaching towards global understanding. The best philosophical thugs have not been easy-going pluralists. Allen -- Allen Scult Dept. of Philosophy HOMEPAGE: " Heidegger on Rhetoric and Hermeneutics": Drake University http://www.multimedia2.drake.edu/s/scult/scult.html Des Moines, Iowa 50311 PHONE: 515 271 2869 FAX: 515 271 3826 --Boundary_(ID_eBJEOOJYXge05pJoIgLBTg)

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From: Rene de Bakker <rbakker-AT-bs18.bs.uva.nl>
To: <heidegger-AT-lists.village.virginia.edu>
Sent: Friday, October 19, 2001 10:31 AM

Subject: Re: thuggery

If you have a plan then it's more than you had before which bordered on
trivial gossip; and you only have it because you don't die easy.

Gulio

Is that an apsect of being-toward-death? We only get to certain places by being pushed in a way we could never do to ourselves. Onto the narrow ridge of determinate indeterminacy. And then Rene laughingly sticks his chin out!

Pushed is the wrong word. Here is some Heidegger-thuggery from SS 1924:

ein methodische Voraussetzung: den Glauben an die Geschichte in dem Sinne, dass wir voraussetzen, dass Geschichte und geschichtliche Vergangenheit (sofern ihr nur die Bahn freigemacht wird), die Moeglichkeit hat, einer Gegenwart oder besser Zukunft einen Stoss zu versetzen.

(A methodological assumption: Faith in history in the sense that we assume that history and historical past (insofar as the way is made clear) have the possibility of dealing a blow, setting a present or better future in motion.)

In order to be set in motion towards the future as a radical possibility of existence, Dasein must be "freed," awakened, dealt a blow-- a blow which is hard enough to almost kill. Such blows come from a teacher wielding a hammer that is swung from way back over the shoulder.

I would say to Jan that dealing such a blow does not go easily with teaching towards global understanding. The best philosophical thugs have not been easy-going pluralists.

Allen

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Allen Scult

Dept. of Philosophy
HOMEPAGE: " Heidegger on Rhetoric and Hermeneutics": Drake University

http://www.multimedia2.drake.edu/s/scult/scult.html Des Moines, Iowa 50311
PHONE: 515 271 2869
FAX: 515 271 3826

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