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From: "Dr. Laurence Paul Hemming" <lph-AT-dircon.co.uk>
Subject: RE: oh yea
Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2001 10:13:45 -0000


Surely the mention of houses here was in relation to the fact that there was
a huge housing shortage in post-WWII Germany.  I don't think many Germans at
that time would have recognised your description of Germany as "first
world", after we Brits and the US had flattened city after city - directly
targeting civilian populations - in the last six months of the War.
Collateral damage, I think it's now called.

Heidegger's remark has its force because there were no houses left in some
places (the 'full professor' meanwhile, was banned from teaching).  Of
course, they were just Nazis, so deserved to be homeless (that IS irony, for
anyone who wonders).

Laurence


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I guess the problem lies in the fact that Heidegger, and I have much
respect for him and his thought, cannot account for systematic
distortion like (early) Habermas does, especially the kind gestured by
Mr Foster and denied by Mr. Moore.

Doesn't Heidegger say in Building, Dwelling, Thinking that the problem
with homelessness isn't that there is a lack of houses but that there
is a lack of the house of Being? Or something like that?  This is easy
for a full professor to say just after WWII who lives in a country that
was still in the ranks of the First World.  This is not an attack of
his thought, but merely a critical observation

Just some thoughts,

Shannon Nason

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From: Edward Moore <proteus28-AT-juno.com>
Date: Tuesday, November 20, 2001 10:46 am
Subject: Re: oh yea

>
> On Tue, 20 Nov 2001 08:55:21 -0800 John Foster
> <borealis-AT-mercuryspeed.com> writes:
>
> > It seems to me that the real issue of concern is not with the
> > Taliban, nor
> > any of these regional ethnic groups, but rather with the US
> which is
> > being
> > motivated primarily by it's almost insatiable need for oil and
> gas.
>
> Right.  And I hope you remember this when you fire up the stove to
> cookyour turkey on Thursday, or when you adjust the thermostat in
> your study
> on those cold winter nights.
>
> The "real issue of concern" is with how individuals provide for
> themselves and their loved ones, in order to buy those precious
> momentsof leisure in which we can retreat from facticity and think
> on essential
> Being -- or whatever it is we like to do in our spare time.
>
> The individuals who were busy working (or on their way to work) on the
> morning of 9-11 were not soldiers in a giant capitalist army out to
> conquer the world.  They were unique, autonomous individuals
> seeking the
> comfort of a stable, material existence.
>
> It seems to me that the present 'epoch' is causing otherwise
> intelligentpeople to say really stupid things.  Habermas is a
> prime example.  He
> referred to the World Trade Center as a "citadel of Western
> capitalism."
> It is this type of rhetoric -- using military terminology to
> describe an
> office building where people earn their daily bread, if you will --
> that
> leads the unreflecting and unworldly among us to lean back in our easy
> chairs at our university offices and thank the gods of Being that
> we are
> not like all of them.
>
> Or, at its worse, it leads assholes like Habermas to suggest that the
> terrorist attack was somehow justified, for if we refer to the WTC
> as a
> "citadel" rather than as a simple office building(s), we subtly
> introducethe idea that what occurred on 9-11 was a military attack
> on a military
> installation.
>
> So, for me, the "real issue of concern" is with knowing when to let
> language lie dormant ...
>
> Regards,
>
> Edward
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