From: "John Foster" <borealis-AT-mercuryspeed.com> Subject: Re: Dasein For Dummies. Date: Thu, 22 Nov 2001 13:50:37 -0800 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. John: I did not say that there has to be any sentences. I prefer clauses....Just preceptions of what occasions...purely as phenomena....It is still language....the use of a higher order language requires logical expressions like 'is' or 'is not' or 'perhaps' and that is that. Either/or/and and but are also examples of higher order languages. If I smile, that is a sign that I am happy, and whether I say it or not if I only smile, this is most convincing to any skeptic.... Jud: But you said in your previous post that the word 'is' belongs in 'secondary language,' and now you have changed and just said that: ' the use of a 'higher order language'requires logical expressions like 'is' or 'is not' or 'perhaps' and that is that' You go on to say that the word 'is' only functions in 'higher order' languages', like math, like directives, and logical statements whether truthful or untruthful, opinions in short, as well as in the 'attitudinal proposition. ' Don't you think that it's about time you make your mind up whether 'is' belongs in your so-called 'secondary language' or your so-called 'higher order language?' John here: My reference to the use of secondary and higher order language is B. Russell. If you take a look at the first chapter or two, then you will get the meaning intented by the terms. Higher order languages are any languages above 'primary' languages, thus secondary languages and 'higher order' languages belong together. N-dimensional languages (excluding primary ones) are higher order languages, and require a knowledge of rules or interpreters I would suppose.... John: A phrase denotes a quality regarding a common thing. A series of phrases about a common thing denotes some more qualities...there is no need to go off too deep to figure out that a lot of language is used to describe perception,feeling, and so on. You don't need any abstract ideas... Jud: By 'a common thing' are we to suppose that you refer to a thing of no special distinction or quality; widely known or commonly encountered; average orordinary or usual? Are we to include your ' wide...beaping meteors' amongst the average or ordinary or usual? John: A common thing is something like a horse, money, but not something that is not used any longer in a living culture. A common thing is not an artifact if the artifact is no longer used....and there are lots of artifacts strewn about.... Oh dear. I am so sorry. I first typed bleating, then changed this word to beeping. You see if I had communicated orally, then you would not looking into your dictionary, or pictionary....see why it is so inefficient to engage in making and communicating propositions? with others? Jud: BTW I can't find 'beaping' in any of my dictionaries =E2=80=93 is it a 'common' Canadian word? But are you not living in a semantic dream world, for all you are doing is to elide the subjects of the sentences the 'there is' and the indefinite article 'a' and the definite article 'the' remain there mentally in the fragment 'blue...patch...above hibiscus: 'There is a blue patch above the hibiscus' If you wish to wander the earth like some latter-day Oscar Wilde talking in fractured phrases, then you are perfectly entitled to do so - though I can't see it being very helpful to your career prospects, (what on earth does the management and customers think about it?). John: I decline to comment. If Oscar Wild can do this then so can I. Maybe someone will pay for my thoughts too....and that would be fun. Incognita is a question...I don't know but I can sense and feel, which is most important.... Jud: But in the privacy of your own bedroom it shouldn't be too harmful I suppose, and you are perfectly free to carry on with this strange habit. In the meanwhile we are trying to conduct a serious dialogue about the meanings of the words 'is' and 'being' and Dasein for Heidegger, and to try to discover why the use of the 'being' word and the dasein word is so central to his philosophy, and not to discuss your strange propensity for verbalizing in some weird, sequestered, truncated auto-lingo... John here again: Dasein means literally 'there-being' and that is okay for me. I don't need any other explanation. Kant used the word to describe 'existence' and this is a latin word meaning to 'exist' and have the qualities of real objects which exist. So the term exist does not extend to any real object but rather to judgements only. A figment of the imagination is said to exist when it occurs; any sentence which uses 'is' or 'is not' or 'exist' is a judgement, not simply an 'excuse' or 'justification' for the real thing, a declaration. The highest genera with regard to Dasein thus is 'authentic' and 'counterfeit'...and each encounter is a judgement about the validity of any authenticity encountered in life....If no judgements are made during essential thinking, then there is no application of a higher order language (secondary or tertiary language). Therefore a purely phenomenal language which imitates both purposive nature, and culture, will not require any logical expressions. I need not use any connectives in fact in relating to you the hisbicus below the blue patch of sky. What else would be blue above the hibiscus....? John: In Heidegger's' 'Hermeneutics of Facticity' is an example of a non-logicaldescription of his home...there is no reference to any abstract ideas, or notions....and that was the simple riddle of the whole corpus of Heidegger. Jud: I'm all for finding the meaning of simple riddles =E2=80=93 why not let us all in on the answer? :-) John here again: Oh that is unfortunate Jud. I feel sorry for you...There is no riddle unless life is simple, one sided and lackin in any essence. That is the answer to the riddle, knowing what is 'many-sided' and 'obscure' and is like a 'cloud of essence' rather than one dimensional, transparent. Jud who are speaking for when you use the word 'us'? Can you answer that? Were you authorized to ask questions on behalf of others here of me? Just curious john foster
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I did not say that there has to be any sentences. I prefer clauses....Just preceptions of what occasions...purely as phenomena....It is still language....the use of a higher order language requires logical expressions like 'is' or 'is not' or 'perhaps' and that is that. Either/or/and and but are also examples of higher order languages. If I smile, that is a sign that I am happy, and whether I say it or not if I only smile, this is most convincing to any skeptic....