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Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2001 12:37:30 -0600
From: allen scult <allen.scult-AT-drake.edu>
Subject: Re: appearance and disappearance



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At 12:31 PM -0500 11/27/01, GEVANS613-AT-aol.com wrote:
>
>These various somethings/beings appear ( make an appearance to an 
>observer or observers ) because there are other observer-type 
>somethings/beings present to perceive and apprehend the appearance 
>of   the other various somethings/beings. In other words one is not 
>dependant on the other ontologically.  The unperceived 
>somethings/beings do not cease to exist because they are unperceived 
>by the observer-type perceiving somethings/beings, and the 
>observer-type perceiving somethings/beings do not particularly miss 
>the unperceived somethings/beings [unless they have a great longing 
>to see the Taj Mahal or the Tower of Pisa or the grave of Elvis 
>Presley] that they never get to perceive.
>BUT the observer-type perceiving somethings/beings sometimes MISS 
>the previously perceived but no longer existing formerly perceived 
>somethings/beings, (as is the case if a loved one passes away.)

Judd,

I just finished a class( Buber again) in which the students 
definitively showed themselves that there is no "I" outside of the 
combination "I-Thou" or "I-it." The way one of them put it is that if 
there were no things-beings in relation to which the I could define 
itself ( by orienting itself towards those things/beings in one way 
or the other) there would "be" no I.  In other words ( so to speak) 
Da-sein is necessarily a being-with.

Now of course,sophist that you are,  you can work that idea back into 
your usual dichotomous frame, but that is only because of a deficient 
mode of care on your part ( which is to take nothing away from your 
eminently resistable charm as the  being ( so to speak) you are.

Yours, in absolute refusal of any resort to a smiley face,

Allen
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  Allen Scult					Dept. of Philosophy
HOMEPAGE: " Heidegger on Rhetoric and Hermeneutics":	Drake University
http://www.multimedia2.drake.edu/s/scult/scult.html	Des Moines, Iowa 50311
PHONE: 515 271 2869
FAX: 515 271 3826

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At 12:31 PM -0500 11/27/01, GEVANS613-AT-aol.com wrote:

These various somethings/beings appear ( make an appearance to an observer or observers ) because there are other observer-type somethings/beings present to perceive and apprehend the appearance of   the other various somethings/beings. In other words one is not dependant on the other ontologically.  The unperceived somethings/beings do not cease to exist because they are unperceived by the observer-type perceiving somethings/beings, and the observer-type perceiving somethings/beings do not particularly miss the unperceived somethings/beings [unless they have a great longing to see the Taj Mahal or the Tower of Pisa or the grave of Elvis Presley] that they never get to perceive.
BUT the observer-type perceiving somethings/beings sometimes MISS the previously perceived but no longer existing formerly perceived somethings/beings, (as is the case if a loved one passes away.)

Judd,

I just finished a class( Buber again) in which the students definitively showed themselves that there is no "I" outside of the combination "I-Thou" or "I-it." The way one of them put it is that if there were no things-beings in relation to which the I could define itself ( by orienting itself towards those things/beings in one way or the other) there would "be" no I.  In other words ( so to speak) Da-sein is necessarily a being-with.

Now of course,sophist that you are,  you can work that idea back into your usual dichotomous frame, but that is only because of a deficient mode of care on your part ( which is to take nothing away from your eminently resistable charm as the  being ( so to speak) you are.

Yours, in absolute refusal of any resort to a smiley face,

Allen
-- 
 Allen Scult                                    Dept. of Philosophy
HOMEPAGE: " Heidegger on Rhetoric and Hermeneutics": Drake University
http://www.multimedia2.drake.edu/s/scult/scult.html     Des Moines, Iowa 50311
PHONE: 515 271 2869
FAX: 515 271 3826
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