Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2001 12:37:30 -0600 From: allen scult <allen.scult-AT-drake.edu> Subject: Re: appearance and disappearance --Boundary_(ID_Dfuwmh+NRzl+O1LF5JLnbw) At 12:31 PM -0500 11/27/01, GEVANS613-AT-aol.com wrote: > >These various somethings/beings appear ( make an appearance to an >observer or observers ) because there are other observer-type >somethings/beings present to perceive and apprehend the appearance >of the other various somethings/beings. In other words one is not >dependant on the other ontologically. The unperceived >somethings/beings do not cease to exist because they are unperceived >by the observer-type perceiving somethings/beings, and the >observer-type perceiving somethings/beings do not particularly miss >the unperceived somethings/beings [unless they have a great longing >to see the Taj Mahal or the Tower of Pisa or the grave of Elvis >Presley] that they never get to perceive. >BUT the observer-type perceiving somethings/beings sometimes MISS >the previously perceived but no longer existing formerly perceived >somethings/beings, (as is the case if a loved one passes away.) Judd, I just finished a class( Buber again) in which the students definitively showed themselves that there is no "I" outside of the combination "I-Thou" or "I-it." The way one of them put it is that if there were no things-beings in relation to which the I could define itself ( by orienting itself towards those things/beings in one way or the other) there would "be" no I. In other words ( so to speak) Da-sein is necessarily a being-with. Now of course,sophist that you are, you can work that idea back into your usual dichotomous frame, but that is only because of a deficient mode of care on your part ( which is to take nothing away from your eminently resistable charm as the being ( so to speak) you are. Yours, in absolute refusal of any resort to a smiley face, Allen -- Allen Scult Dept. of Philosophy HOMEPAGE: " Heidegger on Rhetoric and Hermeneutics": Drake University http://www.multimedia2.drake.edu/s/scult/scult.html Des Moines, Iowa 50311 PHONE: 515 271 2869 FAX: 515 271 3826 --Boundary_(ID_Dfuwmh+NRzl+O1LF5JLnbw)
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These various somethings/beings appear ( make an appearance to an observer or observers ) because there are other observer-type somethings/beings present to perceive and apprehend the appearance of the other various somethings/beings. In other words one is not dependant on the other ontologically. The unperceived somethings/beings do not cease to exist because they are unperceived by the observer-type perceiving somethings/beings, and the observer-type perceiving somethings/beings do not particularly miss the unperceived somethings/beings [unless they have a great longing to see the Taj Mahal or the Tower of Pisa or the grave of Elvis Presley] that they never get to perceive.
BUT the observer-type perceiving somethings/beings sometimes MISS the previously perceived but no longer existing formerly perceived somethings/beings, (as is the case if a loved one passes away.)
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