Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2001 22:22:09 +0100
From: artefact-AT-t-online.de (Michael Eldred)
Subject: Re: Language, music


Cologne 30-Nov-2001

allen scult schrieb Fri, 30 Nov 2001 11:04:14 -0600:

> At 4:34 PM +0100 11/30/01, Michael Eldred wrote:
>
>> Cologne 30-Nov-2001
>>
>> Jan Straathof schrieb   Thu, 29 Nov 2001 22:24:14 +0100 in Antwort
>> auf:
>>
>>  >>    Datum:    Thu, 29 Nov 2001 19:13:47 +0000
>>  >>    Von: Michael Pennamacoor <pennamacoor-AT-enterprise.net>
>>
>> > >Its self-presentation is accompanied by the extraordinary
>> unsettling music
>> > >of Ligeti -- almost unhearable intensity that makes men and apes
>> and
>> > >supermen cover their ears in order to hear it... it rings.
>> >
>> > yes, Ligeti's "Lux Aeterna" is indeed a extraordinary wonderful
>> piece
>> > of music; 16 solo voices singing, just sounds, there are no words,
>> there
>> > is no beginning nor is there an end ... only eternal light ...
>> listen and let,
>> > if only for a brief moment, Logos and Lichtung reunite again
>> >
>> > ... sostenuto .... molto calmo ..... wie aus der Ferne
>> >
>>
>> Sustained, very calm, as if from afar.
>> This is nearness.
>> Like John Cage's 4"33' which could perhaps be characterized as
>> 'nothing in
>> particular'.
>
>  Hi Michael, What about form?  The wonderfully evocative
> characterizations of the music  made by Jan, the Michaels etc. They
> all co-respond with the music to. . .the already always present voice
> of incipient form, which shows itself, to those who are appropriately
> predisposed)as a tuning (Stimmung), a possibility of attunement.  As
> Heidegger puts it", . . jede Praezision des Sagens in einer
> Disposition des Entsprechens gruendet. . "( Every precision of saying
> is grounded in a disposition of correspondance." ( 78, Was ist
> das--die Philosophie?) "Nothing in Particular" of course lets itself
> be shown in a form accessable to the appropriately predisposed M.E. as
> the Stimmung " Nothing in Particular."Now to perform their own version
> of " Nothing in Particular," we have for you appropriately predisposed
> afficionados of the form, The trio of Michael, Michael and friend.
> Let's hear it boys. . .
>
>>
>> Hegel writes at the beginning of his _Logik_:
>>
>> "A. Being
>> Being, pure being, -- without any further definition. In its
>> undefined immediacy
>> it is only equal to itself and also not unequal to anything else,
>> has no
>> difference within itself nor toward the outside. [...] It is pure
>> indefiniteness
>> and emptiness. -- There is _nothing_ to look at in it  [...]
>> B. Nothingness
>> Nothingness, pure nothingness; it is simple equality with itself,
>> complete
>> emptiness, indefiniteness and contentlessness; indifferentiatedness
>> within itself.
>> [...]
>> C. Becoming
>> Pure being and pure nothingness are thus the same. The truth is
>> neither being nor
>> nothingness, but that being does not pass over, but has passed over
>> into
>> nothingness and nothingness into being."
>>
>> Zu Deutsch:
>> "A. Sein
>> Sein, reines Sein, -- ohne alle weitere Bestimmung. In seiner
>> unbestimmten
>> Unmittelbarkeit ist es nur sich selbst gleich und auch nicht
>> ungleich gegen
>> Anderes, hat keine Verschiedenheit innerhalb seiner noch nach
>> aussen. [...] Es ist
>> _nichts_ in ihm anzuschauen [...]
>> B. Nichts
>> Nichts, das reine Nichts; es ist einfache Gleichheit mit sich
>> selbst, vollkommene
>> Leerheit, Bestimmungs- und Inhaltslosigkeit; Ununterschiedenheit in
>> ihm selbst.
>> [...]
>> C. Werden
>> Das reine Sein und das reine Nichts ist also dasselbe. Was die
>> Wahrheit ist, ist
>> weder das Sein noch das Nichts, sondern dass das Sein in Nichts und
>> das Nichts in
>> Sein -- nicht uebergeht, sondern uebergegangen ist."
>> (Hegel _Logik I_ Werke Bd.5 Ffm. S.82, 83)
>>
>> This is pure, abstract thinking that is not yet thinking any
>> something ("etwas").
>> Nothing at all definite or determinate yet. But already time
>> implicitly,  with
>> becoming (pass over into, has passed over into). Truth seems to be
>> an uncovering,
>> a progressive uncovering in the movement of thinking itself.
>>
>> Music like Ligeti's is a something, thus defined or definite being
>> (which Hegel
>> calls Dasein, bestimmtes Sein). It is defined, for instance, as
>> "sustained, very
>> calm". But could its origin be something like this pure,
>> undifferentiated void,
>> i.e. being and nothingness in their sameness, accessible only to
>> pure thinking?
>
>
>  "In the Beginning, when the Earth was without form and void ( Called
> "Tohu Vavohu" in the Hebrew, evoking gods formerly identified with
> these substances), and darkness over the face of the deep (Te'Hom,
> after Ti'amat), and the Spirit (Ruach, also wind) of God hovered ( the
> Hebrew is much sweeter, more loving) over the face of the waters. .
> .Then God said,  " Let there be Light" ( I wanted the German to say
> "Lichtung," but my translation stops with " Licht.")" The point is not
> that the undifferentiated void is pure emptiness.  Rather it is
> "without form," incipient form in other words, accessable not "only to
> pure thinking," but to the form-making of Logos which turns out to be
> Lichtung

Howdy Allen,
You're right. Nothing is without Stimmung. Look at your watch for 273
seconds and there you have Cage's 4"33'. How's your mood? 

Yes, form is another word for Bestimmung, definition, determination.

The contrast with Genesis shows just how much it is removed, or already
progressed, from pure beginning in pure thinking. Once one is past "In
the beginning..."
the defining already sets it. "The Earth", "Tohu Vavohu"*, "darkness"
are already definite. Hegel doesn't even say, "In the beginning...", but
without any mediation (although talking for long pages beforehand about
"Where does the
beginning of science have to be made?") begins, "Being, pure being, --
without any further definition." Scarcely a toehold.

Could Heidegger (H1, H2 or H369) have begun, "Clearing, pure clearing,
-- without any further definition."? In thinking abstractly thinking
"Clearing, pure clearing" there we have it already: human being in pure
ratio, _logos_.
Stimmung? Angst. Toehold? 

Da capo,
Mikhael
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* Tohuwabohu, das; ­[s], -s [hebr. tohu wa vohu = Wueste u. Oede, nach
der Lutherschen Uebersetzung des Anfangs der Genesis (1. Mos. 1,2)]:
voelliges Durcheinander; Wirrwarr, Chaos. (c) Dudenverlag

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